A disconnect I'm noticing in the culture

[whiskeyflip]

I was saying that all new DJs have knowledge that they can share with others they aren't "Blind." Nothing is wrong with them giving advice, if they are ill-advised someone will correct them. Everyone has good information to share.

this entire discussion started with me pointing out that people should be correcting the ill-advised more. When someone comes in asking what controller they should buy, they should fewer "buy an S4, they're the best for the money right now", and they should get more "Tell us more about what you want to do, what scene you want to be playing in etc. and we'll suggest things specifically for your situation". An uninformed person telling every uninformed person to buy an S4 just creates another uninformed person telling uninformed people to buy S4s.

[smiTTTen]

Was one of your usernames 'oilythread'?

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Definitely fits....

[whiskeyflip]

Was one of your usernames 'oilythread'?

No, but someone else asked that on a post about the new Behringer controllers so I read back through some of his rants. At least the kid is being critical...

[fullenglishpint]

No, but someone else asked that on a post about the new Behringer controllers so I read back through some of his rants. At least the kid was being critical...

Funny, because you say you've been here for years under different names, and your join date is just a couple of days after the last time oilythread was banned. I notice you still haven't said who you were before, I see accountability is not one of your strong points.

As for your lovely 'circle jerk' idea, no one here is plotting behind the scenes to push forward the NI agenda or whatever conspiracy you think is going on. The mods on this forum are all just people like the rest of the forum members who've shown themselves to be trustworthy and given extra responsibility. We don't sit in a cave round a cauldron and try to engineer the downfall of creativity.

The general impression I'm getting is that for some reason you don't like NI or the S4, so you've come to the logical conclusion that anyone who recommends it is an evil beige robot trying to make everything bland and shoddy. You're actually advocating people being unhelpful. Way to go.

[Nicky H]

...And I'm STILL talking about newbies GIVING advice, not ASKING for it.

So what do you suggest then?

[whiskeyflip]

Funny, because you say you've been here for years under different names, and your join date is just a couple of days after the last time oilythread was banned. I notice you still haven't said who you were before, I see accountability is not one of your strong points.

As for your lovely 'circle jerk' idea, no one here is plotting behind the scenes to push forward the NI agenda or whatever conspiracy you think is going on. The mods on this forum are all just people like the rest of the forum members who've shown themselves to be trustworthy and given extra responsibility. We don't sit in a cave round a cauldron and try to engineer the downfall of creativity.

The general impression I'm getting is that for some reason you don't like NI or the S4, so you've come to the logical conclusion that anyone who recommends it is an evil beige robot trying to make everything bland and shoddy. You're actually advocating people being unhelpful. Way to go.

So now you're going to insinuate that I am someone that a lot of people have discounted in the past, to convince people that I'm beign a dick now? Just because I don't have the means to prove you wrong at my disposal? We both know I'm not that person, and you're just being sly in trying to convince people I'm wrong.

Then you try to make me out to be a conspiracy theorist crazy person? Obviosuly I know you're not doing it for nefarious reasons, and I know you're intelligent enough to know I don't think that. You specifically are just taking your job too seriously... I've watched you use your endorsed position to control arguments for YEARS, to make anyone critical shut up. You just take your job too seriosuly. Your job is not to prevent people from being critical... You think nobody ever pointing out shortcomings means you're doing a good job... But your job is just to make sure fights don't break out over it. People not wanting to deal with being critical of one another is very short-sighted, and I've already explained how it affects the meta-scene in the long run.

I'm definitely not claiming that this is all your fault, but you've been doing your part for YEARS to keep this a circle jerk, so you can feel like you're doing a great job because nobody ever argues.

[whiskeyflip]

So what do you suggest then?

Oh all I'm trying to suggest is that the more knowledgeable people do their best to be heard more, and be more willing to correct the inexperienced people when they would otherwise convince people to follow their uninformed advice. There's no reason to blame anyone in this situation. You can't blame new people for feeling like they know everything, just like you can't blame teeangers for thinking they're smarter than their parents.... You just have to do your best to steer them.

[Nicky H]

Oh all I'm trying to suggest is that the more knowledgeable people do their best to be heard more, and be more willing to correct the inexperienced people when they would otherwise convince people to follow their uninformed advice.

Well I think that already happens to be honest. If people were giving bad advice then someone would correct them.
Your main problem seems to be with people suggesting either the S2 or S4 as a starter controller, maybe most of the more knowledgeable members don't agree with you that it's a bad choice.

[whiskeyflip]

Well I think that already happens to be honest. If people were giving bad advice then someone would correct them.
Your main problem seems to be with people suggesting either the S2 or S4 as a starter controller, maybe most of the more knowledgeable members don't agree with you that it's a bad choice.

Then they probably aren't the most knowledgeable... Most of the people who were obviously the most knowledgeable from back before the S4 was around don't endorse it. Having had an S4 for a year myself... I can tell you, nobody that is very knowledgeable would be suggesting that thing for anything other than a cheap solution for timecode at this point. Keep in mind, just because you've been here for a long time doesn't automatically mean you're knowledgeable... Newbies show up all the time that have a deeper knowledge than people with several thousand posts. When I say knowledgeable peopel shoudl speak up more, I'm talking about the TOP tier of knowledge here, the DJ "nerds", that know a lot abotu a lot of different gear... THEY are the ones that should be correcting people... Not just anyone who's been paying attention to DJ gear long enough to not be called a newbie.

I don't have a specific issue with the S2/S4, it's just that it's the most commonly discussed controller on these forums, so I use it as an example a lot. I have experience with lots of other shitty controllers that I'd be discussing if people were constantly talking about them like they are with the S4.

[hola amigos]

Cheaper gear doesn't always mean your a complete noob. Some of the cheaper gear do the same exact things as the high end gear for a third of the price. A dj to me is someone who can make the crowd jump with any gear sent his way. It's the skills not the gear.