Xonetacular's guide and general tips for buying second hand Technics 1200s

**Xonetacular** · 02-19-2012, 11:06 PM

I made this post recently and people keep PMing me with questions so I figured I would make a new thread- most of this applies to buying tables in person on craigslist or other local boards. If buying online you want to be more scrutinizing and will probably pay a bit more.

It's hard to really go wrong with technics (if you are at all handy) unless they are really beat- i've bought, refurbished, and sold technics on craigslist quite a bit and going through around 50+ technics total I only encountered one I had to use for parts that had a bent tone arm not worth fixing and the chassis was bent like it was dropped off a stage. Pretty much anything minor can be fixed at reasonable expensive if you do it yourself- servicing can range from $75-$200 on average.

The biggest thing to look at is overall appearance to get a sense of age and how it was used. This will also determine price and if you want pristine tables expect to pay more. Power it on, hit play and adjust the pitch paying attention to the strobe when the dots on the platter stay still looking at the led strobe which correspond to pitch increments. make sure the dots stay steady.

Put it on 33 and 45 rpm and slowly move the pitch fader through its range, if the pitch is dirty or worn out you will see the dots on the platter stutter in the led strobe showing the platter speed is inconsistent. you don't want this unless you are good at DIY stuff since this is easy to fix if you take apart and clean the pitch fader, or just buy a new pitch fader for like $30.

Look at the numbers by the strobe and put it on 3.3%, 6%, and -3.3% and see if the corresponding dot is steady at that number. I usually skip this and just look for stutter since calibration is easy.

Make sure the tone arm is straight, if you can, see how a cartridge fits on the arm and if any of the contacts on the tone arm look pushed in or shot/corroded. play a vinyl record if possible and see if you get an output in both channels. if they have a mixer that shows left and right output levels make sure one isn't significantly lower than the other (and if it is be mindful that could be a styli problem too). look at the rcas and the ground wire, check to see if the ground wire is close to original length and not chewed up or cut down. check to make sure all wire insulation is in good shape and check what the rca connectors look like and if they have a tight fit.

If it is appropriate remove the platter and look for any signs of anything being spilled (usually won't cause permanent damage but i have cleaned some thick nasty goop out of tables). To remove the platter just take the slip mat off and put you thumb on the spindle and middle fingers through the holes and pull up.

Check the pop up light and see if it is out. I replace them with LEDs anyway so it doesn't really matter. Check the 33/45 buttons and make sure they don't stick. make sure all the leds stay steadily lit and don't dim or flicker at all indicating a circuit problem (possibly bad voltage regulator). Make sure the tone arm clip isn't broken off and if it is you can get a new one for a few bucks but make him knock down his price a bit.

If it plays stereo fine and the pitch is good then it's a solid table. The going rate for a used decent looking pair of 1200s with no mods seems to be $600-$800 a pair. You may get lucky and snag a pair for less and I have been known to. This may vary depending on area and for nicer tables you may expect to pay more. Fully customized completely refurbished pairs of pristine MK2s go for $1000-$1500, and if you're buying a pair of 1200s for life then it may be worth it to do it right.

If I were looking for myself I would look for M3Ds or MK5s. M3Ds are usually the best deal and are improved over the MK2s with the reset button. The importance of this is personal and will bring the price up a bit, many people are perfectly fine with MK2s and you will usually find MKIIs out in most venues and it is uncommon to find anything else.

M3Ds might as well be the same thing as MK5s the only difference you will notice is they have an incandescent pitch light where the MK5 has a white LED. This is an easy mod and you can throw all color LEDs on for $20-$40 and you pretty much have nicer tables than MK5s for much less. MK5s also have higher anti skate but you probably shouldn't care about that.

A big thing I would look out for is if they have aftermarket RCA cables. Turn the table over and see if the original plastic rca clamp bracket is on there. This secured the cable in place and prevents pulling on the RCA from putting any pressure on the small board it is connected to. Sometimes people replace the RCAs with thicker ones then they can't fit the RCA clamp on so the wires just kind of hang out through a metal hole in the bottom and this can put a lot of stress on the board if they pulled the RCAs and cause damage.

Here is a table I got on craigslist with a bad RCA cable mod and they ditched the clamping plate- not good.

which means all that's holding the RCAs to the board is a zip tie and if it got yanked it could rip the whole little board out.

You want to see the RCAs secured with this plastic clamp:

If they internally grounded the tables (mod to remove the ground wire and connect the table ground to one of the RCA channel's ground wires so when both RCAs are plugged in the table is grounded without the extra ground wire) just make sure when the RCAs are connected to the mixer there isn't a lot of humming or noise which means there could be an issue with how they internally grounded them.

**papo** · 02-19-2012, 11:12 PM

Great post... I see a lot of people asking you the same questions in many different threads. This will now save you lots of repetitive questions!

**botstein** · 02-19-2012, 11:33 PM

Could you give a rule-of-thumb price range for excellent, good, and fair condition?

**fullenglishpint** · 02-20-2012, 06:13 AM

This should be stickied. Epic post.

**Liambo** · 02-20-2012, 06:24 AM

Cheers for this Xone! Got your PM and i bought the Techs so will post a thread about them at a later date.

**Liambo** · 02-20-2012, 07:34 AM

Had a good and proper read.. Nice one Xone. I vote for sticky.

My questions being:

What guide do you follow for internally grounding?
What happens if you think you have a bad motor and how to test?

Reasons: I want to internally ground my latest project Techs, i am very confident as i am a electronic engineer so this should be simple enough. Also one of the Techs takes a second slower to stop completely.

**Xonetacular** · 02-20-2012, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by Liambo

Had a good and proper read.. Nice one Xone. I vote for sticky.

My questions being:

What guide do you follow for internally grounding?
What happens if you think you have a bad motor and how to test?

Reasons: I want to internally ground my latest project Techs, i am very confident as i am a electronic engineer so this should be simple enough. Also one of the Techs takes a second slower to stop completely.

I've never had an issue internally grounding technics myself I've just read about people having issues (probably did it poorly). Just open the bottom of the tone arm housing where the RCAs are and cut the ground wire short so it's 2-3" and solder the end of it to either the left or right RCA ground point.

As far as bad motor goes- how do you mean bad? I guess there could potentially be an issue with the drive shaft or bearing but I've never experienced a bad motor so I'm not sure what that would look like. Any issue should come up during other tests and when feeling the platter.

**Xonetacular** · 02-20-2012, 08:56 AM

Originally Posted by botstein

Could you give a rule-of-thumb price range for excellent, good, and fair condition?

It's too variable and is really just what's available when you're looking and depends a lot on where you are. 500-900 for a pair of used stock MK2s seems to be the going rate. New in box MK2s can go for over $1000 each.