Traktor Echo Effect (fade out)

[hesitant]

I've got a Xone DX and I'm running Traktor on internal mode.

I had a quick play about last night with itch just to see how it compares with Traktor Pro. Anyway I noticed that some of the effects in itch such as the echo are set in a way when you kill the fader the echo fades out. I've tried to do this in Traktor but because the effect is selected to one of the channels as soon as I kill the fader everything stops. I used to do this effect on my DJM800 and would really like it back. Does anyone know how to recreate this in Traktor. If you understand what I'm getting at.

[Ashigari]

not sure if i understand you but wouldnt turning the dry/wet slowly to dry get the effect you're looking for? that way the track should come back from under the echo and the echo fades out slowly?

[hesitant]

The only problem with that is you can still hear the track even with the dry/wet knob at full.

I'll try and describe it better. Assign the echo to whatever channel with the track playing. If you had the effect at full and paused the track all you would hear it the echo fading out over how ever long you have assinged it to such as 1/8, 1/16, 1/32 etc. What I want to do is have the same effect but still keep the track playing in the background so the only way I know of doing this from my DJM mixer days is to leave the track playing, kill the fader then all you will hear is the echo fading out and at then bring the fader back up to hear the track again. Make sense?

[tdmusic]

The only problem with that is you can still hear the track even with the dry/wet knob at full.

I'll try and describe it better. Assign the echo to whatever channel with the track playing. If you had the effect at full and paused the track all you would hear it the echo fading out over how ever long you have assinged it to such as 1/8, 1/16, 1/32 etc. What I want to do is have the same effect but still keep the track playing in the background so the only way I know of doing this from my DJM mixer days is to leave the track playing, kill the fader then all you will hear is the echo fading out and at then bring the fader back up to hear the track again. Make sense?

I know exactly what you're trying to do - it used to be possible on Traktor 3 with master channel effects.

The issue is that the effects are applied pre-fader, so the delay is added to the input signal, and then it goes through the mixer section. This means cutting the volume also cuts the volume of the effect. I assume that on Itch/DJM/etc., the effects are applied post-fader, so they carry on. I assume either approach has its advantages and disadvantages (without thinking about it in any detail) - it'd be nice to be able to choose which to use in Traktor!

The only workaround I can think of for you is to have it set up as following:

Effect 1: Gater, Effect off, Noise = 0, Mute on
Effect 2: Delay (set up as desired)

(You can use any two effects slots if you have 4 FX units enabled as long as the gater comes first and the delay second, as FX are processed in parallel)

Your track should have both effect 1 and effect 2 enabled.

Now you can play your track as normal, turn on the delay, and then when you want to cut the track out, turn on the gater. To bring the track back in, you turn off the gater and delay. What's happening here is that the gater, with those settings, produces no sound at all, so when you turn the gater on, the input to the delay effect is silence and so it echoes out.

This might seem a bit of a pain in the arse as it takes up two effects slots, but you can make life easier by assigning a button (or key) to several actions at once - so pressing one button could set effect 1 to gater, effect 2 to delay and set the current track to go to both effects units.

Hope this helps - I'm glad to have worked it out myself!

[tdmusic]

(What is quite fun is that you can automate the cutting in/out using the Gater, if you disable mute and play around with the rate and shape parameters )

[hesitant]

Thats exactly what I was trying to get at. Thanks very much for the reply. It all makes sense. Such as shame they have removed this feature or least give us the option as you said.

When I get home tonight I'll give it a go. I never thought of trying this as I thought the gater would also cut the after effect. Thanks again.

[dsharps]

Are you looking for Echo Freeze? Just make an advanced FX unit and throw delay in there, then click the second button (next to "feedback"). It mutes the track and echoes until it fades out.

[Dynamics]

That gater one sounds pretty cool and inventive. Also the "Freeze" button that dsharps is talking about is the simplest way to achieve that.

The way I used to do it before they added 2 more effects channels is to use the T3 Delay (as I would have all my effects chained) and just stop the song playing.

On a side note, I used to be able to do it with regular Delay but now when I stop the song, it also stops the delay. Just wondering if anyone can replicate that.

[Gryz]

I'm trying to grasp this as well. What to you mean by Effect off, Noise = 0, Mute on?

Effect off is self-explanatory, but what do you mean by the rest?

[hesitant]

On a side note, I used to be able to do it with regular Delay but now when I stop the song, it also stops the delay. Just wondering if anyone can replicate that.

That how I use it at the moment. Stop the track and the delay keeps going till faded out.

Haven't had a chance to try these methods out yet but hopefully get on it tonight