TSI Tricking...Anyone have tips!?!

[bigbeatzz]

OK so I am currently in the process of getting rid of the loop recorder fuctions. So far I have been able to disable the record button , the play button and the undo button. When I get to the size button I have an issue. I am able to have have traktor reset it to 4 everytime which is fine but I can't seem to get the LED state to off. Does anyone have any tips? I really do not use the loop recorder ever and would like to take use of this for effect control, maybe even a handicap superknob if possible. It also seems like a cool place to add freeze buttons for each deck.

I am also working with Haze on getting a cool TSI going. So far I have taken the third parameter knob and button of effect unit 1 and 2 and used it to control 3 chained effects in units 3 and 4. I used armyofme's combo for the swoosh. I will share once I get ahead a bit more. I think the goal is to use the dry/wet buttons in chained mode as a shift that would then load presets into effect units 3 and 4 using the buttons under each parameter.

Please add to this, lets get the ideas flowing on a community tsi.

[haze324]

I'm in.

Will work on it some more tonight. For some SUPER knobs.

But for real --- does anyone use the loop recorder? I've never turned it on. Can someone explain what it does. If not - the loop recorder goes and turns in to a super knob with 4 presets!

[rhombus_77]

I'm in.

Will work on it some more tonight. For some SUPER knobs.

But for real --- does anyone use the loop recorder? I've never turned it on. Can someone explain what it does. If not - the loop recorder goes and turns in to a super knob with 4 presets!

I learned about it in Ean's tutorial that came with the S4 (if you bought it from DJTT).

It can record 4, 16, 32 beat samples. On the software interface where Record is you can select three setting 1) Mix - records everything playing 2) Cue, records whatever is cued 3) Aux - records what every is being feed in from outside (remember the video with Shiftee recording his voice). The dry/wet knob (hardware) right above the Size, Undo, Rec, Play buttons is actually like a source knob. Turn left to record (Cue) all sources on the left, turn right for right and middle to record whatever is cued on both decks. After you have recorded it you can drag the sample into the sample deck and save it. It is kind of neat.

[haze324]

Thanks for the input man. Yeah I've got the video but shouldve payed better attention to it. I personally see that function as very useful as something I could use to prep samples ahead of time. I don't think i'd use it on the fly though.

Talking to Bigbeatzz earlier I think we're try to use the loop recorder knob as Super Knob and use the buttons as four pre-set effects. Perhaps 1 advanced effect and 3 in chained. One concern we have right now is making sure we have proper LED feedback from the buttons when a set of effects is selected and turned on. The idea of having a massive super delay at the twist of a knob is something I think for my style of play I'd use more that recording a loop on the fly.

Curious though, when I want to save a recorded loop. From the software i drag the loop recorder itself into a sample bank and hit play a few times and now it's saved to use later on? I should re-watch that portion of the video.

Thanks man.

[rhombus_77]

Yeah, drag it into a sample deck. If you have kept the default favorites, there is one called All Samples (or you could look in All Tracks). The recorded sample is called "Loop Recorder XXXX/XX/XX XX:XX:XX" X being date and time it was created.

I have only used the loop recorder for splicing together vocals (prep work).

I like your idea of the super knob. Keep me posted. I wish I could help out, but mapping is not my strong suit. I need to spend some time with the Traktor Bible.

[stphotog]

the loop deck I understand but don't get why I would want to do that IE make a loop on the fly, add over it then put it in a sample slot. How is that musically useful?

[haze324]

the loop deck I understand but don't get why I would want to do that IE make a loop on the fly, add over it then put it in a sample slot. How is that musically useful?

Yep. Now I don't feel so musically or techy retarded for wanting to turn that thing into a superknob with 4 preset effects.

Keep you guys posted as BigBeatz and I make some progress. Will probably have a few questions along the way. Like ideas for 4 good presets ideas

[bigbeatzz]

Does anyone know how I can disable the LED from the size button in the loop recorder? Is there a way to reverse the mapping of the button?

[Yul]

Nope I think you can't (tried to so it's only experience but I may always be wrong so).
The best bet you may have if you want to use it to reflect an on/off state is may be to use a beat phase monitor output* (as it takes over in a way) and a toggling modifier to reflect the command on it.
It won't be perfect but if it blinks, you are on your 'on' (M=1) state, if it doesn't blink: 'off' state (M=0) (but may be lit as you didn't suppress the native led feedback for the size).
You can duplicate the beat phase monitor output four times, each one assigned to a deck so you maximise the existence of the signal (as long as there's a track playing).

Does that make sense?

*with its flaws

ps: as a personal opinion only, it's just for sharing a thought: I don't understand why you try to get rid of the loop recorder in a way - even to assign eventually some FX on it - it is really less interesting in what the LR can do for you. I've only scratched it myself and don't pretend at all to understand all the potential use of it but that's a very unique feature. I want to pass more time on it, I don't want to miss something that would be worth studying.

From a FX point of view, it allows to modulate your own Fx, combos, whatever, edit, add, remove, repeat, dub and modulate those on the fly in a perfect time frame for a given sequence. No other super knob can do that.
What do you think?

[bigbeatzz]

Thanks Yul I'm going to try that. Right now I have set all 4 buttons as master tempo led outputs. I set the midi range to 127 min 127 max. This will give me a steady on light (at least I can see them in the dark) but they occasionally glitch (they very quickly turn off and back on once in a while). I think the glitch is due to the main TSI trying to take over.

I'll try your method in the morning, I did attempt to map the beat phase to the buttons and they did blink but I was just not sure how to hold a steady light. How would I set the modifiers correctly?

I have attached my TSI in progress if you'd like to take a look. Right now the size button and the undo button trigger effects in units 3 and 4. The dry/wet controls the parameters.

Thanks again for the help!