UC-33/e vs BCR2000

[Zhao]

Please pardon for the large post..

Looking to add some knob control to compliment my monome setup. I used search and couldn't find a thread on this subject already, so I figured I'd make one because these controllers are old but still useful and relevant. I plan on using a setup with 8 channels in live of possibly volume and mostly FX. So a few points I'd like to have people clear up between the two are
-build quality (both case and actual components)
-driver quality
-am I really going to hate soft takeover that much?
-is there better controller for the price?
-Difference between UC-33/e?
I was dead set on the BCR mostly because I heard the build quality of the UC was horrible. After some searching I've heard users say the UC's build is actually pretty good. Then I realized, it'd be nice to have some faders plus the UC is smaller plus the BCR is ugly. Either way my facts on the units are too cloudy to make a definite decision, so if you all could post which you have used and which you prefer. And no K2 recommendations or anything, I'm looking for cheaper control.
Thanks a ton for the help!

[Patch]

You'd be mad to take the BCR over the UC-33e. There is NOTHING wrong with the build quality, and it is class compliant (ie - no drivers required).

BUT - soft takeover on the UC-33e DOESN'T WORK in Ableton Live.

The difference between the UC-33e and the UC-33 is just that the UC-33e can "dump" it's settings via sysex. Not that important.

Now go buy a UC-33e!

[deevey]

-am I really going to hate soft takeover that much?

YES, espessially if the FX are per channel (if it was available anyhow)

Pots are just horrible IMHO for anything except dedicated control of a device e.g 3 band EQ

build quality

About the same, neither feel particularly solid IMHO.. plasticy

is there better controller for the price?

What about a BCF2000 ?

[carl]

I've got a uc33e in trying to get rid of if your looking to get one

[Zhao]

BUT - soft takeover on the UC-33e DOESN'T WORK in Ableton Live.

So basically if the volume wasn't where I left it and I moved a fader, it would jump? bummer..

What about a BCF2000 ?

I thought about it, but it's far too large and not as cost efficient IMO.

I've got a uc33e in trying to get rid of if your looking to get one

If you still have it in about two weeks I'll possibly take off your hands.

[tekki]

The BCR2000 is still considered one of the better Ableton Live controllers, next to the ACP-20 and 40 ofcourse.

You don't have to believe me, you may also take Tim Excile's word for it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5SVhGg5UV8

[Zhao]

My only concerns of the BCR are its size and lack of faders. The thing really is gigantic. Trust me though, if I don't go with the BCR it won't be because it isn't a good controller.

[carl]

If you still have it in about two weeks I'll possibly take off your hands.

Pm me when you want it

[tekki]

My only concerns of the BCR are its size and lack of faders. The thing really is gigantic. Trust me though, if I don't go with the BCR it won't be because it isn't a good controller.

Basically, the majority of current day (4 deck) controllers is bigger.

[Zhao]

Good point, but I'm not comparing it to DJ controllers per se.. really looking more into developing my live set unfortunately that means less mixing, but I'll definitely keep a traktor mapping handy of whichever controller I purchase.