For quite a while longer, yes. I really can’t see any reason for all the clubs with them already in the booth to go for something else.
I’ve seen DJs all around south america, I live in Australia and spent quite a bit of time through parts of Asia. Everyone in these places uses burnt cds. So this whole “many places” in the world having to use bought cds sounds like bullshit to me…
That’s all very well, but the mere existence and popularity of software shows us that DJs these days want more than just a pair of CDJs. They want scrolling waveforms and all the rest.
^I think accessibility has more to do with it than preference… I’m sure a lot of people with controllers would gladly take a full “pioneer standard” setup if the prices were comparable.
You seem to be a little lost. First, what drives the “DJ Industry” or any idustry for that matter are the group of people most likely to spend money, in this case, on DJ equipment. Night clubs aren’t impacting that industry. Its like saying night clubs drive the bar design industry because alot of people sit and stand at their bar for a drink and have more people at them compared to the thousands of local bars in every town. Endorsements by top professionals in any industry appeals to the masses, to sell to the masses. SO maybe you mean to say top DJs endorsements drive the industry which could be a true statement, Roger Sanchez uses CDJ’s, 15yo noob DJ sees this in a magazine and wants CDJ’s because Roger Sanchezz uses them, not because some big club half way around the world has them installed.
Even using simple math its not hard to understand, 500 top clubs around the world have CDJs. 500,000 mobile DJ’s around the world use CDJs…who is driving the industry again??
This.
I think we have to remember that we are on a forum for digital DJing which skews our perception of the real world.
I can understand people thinking that software will become the club standard but let’s just remember how many software options are available. What is the software standard? Plus the performer would need to take a portable hard drive to connect their own tunes to this club installed software to be able to use the club installed controllers!! Sounds too much like hard work and it makes things no easier than it is today. It actually makes things more complicated. Like I said there is nothing easier than turning up with two thumb drives and using the already club installed pioneers. Club installed software solves no problems that exist today. Clubs will always take the path of least resistance. right now that is cdj2000’s. And it will remain that way for some time.
No I’m not lost. By your own beer math that would mean High School basketball players drive the basketball industry because there are 500,000 high school basketball players buying shoes as opposed to the 500 top NBA players, that only play for 30 teams. Well guess where DJ’s like Roger Sanchez play — at mega clubs. As long as guys like him still uses CDJ’s, clubs will still have them. The DJ “industry” goes FAR beyond an equipment manufacturer, it includes music, equipment, venues, events, and places like Space, LIV, Pacha, etc. impact it financially far more than the 1000 guys playing a wedding tonight who purchased an S4 and some lights. Time will tell, and I’ll agree to disagree with you — but CDJ’s aren’t going anywhere for a long time. I wonder if we could get the numbers of how many DJ’s this year who played at Ultra used CD’s, Traktor, Serato, or Ableton and I’m willing to bet the number that used CD’s or timecode CD’s is FAR greater than those using controllers.
UHHHH no the DJ Industry, is just that, the DJ industry, which has to do with anything DJ related. What you are referring to would be the Night Club Industry. SO if clubs drive the DJ Industry like you say, why then did Technics decide to discontinue the 1200 which is in every night club around the world, used by top DJs around the world, if the Industry is “driven” by the clubs. Why then would a company discontinue its “industry standard” gear if the “DJ Industry” is so reliant on the clubs for its revenue?
Simply put, an industry is “driven” by the people that will give that industry its revenue. The basketball Industry? I guess you mean the NBA, the NBA is driven by the fans that pay money to see it. If there were no fans there would be no NBA. If there were no clubs would there still be a DJ Industry? Yes. If there was no NBA would there still be a sneaker industry? Yes.
Right, because the only Djs that matter are the DJs that played at those clubs, not the other 500,000 playing weddings and sweet 16s. This is typical snobby DJ thinking, that the only thing that matters is whatever your scene is and everything else isn’t really DJing and therefore doesn’t matter in the “DJ Industry”.
Time will tell if CDJs stick around.
Indeed, the idea of a standardized controller is a bit much. Even on the S4, I had a shot S4 for a few weeks so I rented one from another guy, and even that was different. One of the jogs was barely turnable which didn’t really help the FX I had with the custom mapping. I treat my S4 like a temple, and I know that wherever I turn up on any given night, all I need is a line into the DJM and my computer I’m set. Even if there was a standard controller, i wouldn’t use it, as too many controllers are not of the same build quality as a CDJ. Admittedly, the S4 is a great machine, but it’s also delicate, so it’s not the kind of thing you want a million different DJs using every night. If you abuse it, it will wear out over time.
Uhh, last time I checked, the CDJ and DJM series are Pioneers best sellers, while the MEP and their rack mount mixers are just kinda surviving. The 500,000 wedding DJs don’t use DJ hardware, they use Winamp and a USB sound card. DJ equipment is expensive, and a lot of mobile DJs don’t have several grand to blow on playing Journey and Justin Bieber back and forth. They don’t drive the industry because they don’t care about the industry, they just want to make music come out as cheaply as possible and collect their next rent check.
i think you guys should really take this debate to another thread. it sounds like a great debate for the rest of us to chime into aswell but i believe you may be on the verge of hijacking this guys thread. the topic is whether cdjs will remain the industry/club/whatever standard not who drives the industry.
and back on topic, there is just too much variables when it comes to controllers
You sound like someone who just got their feelings hurt and is now defensive. It’s gonna be ok sunshine. Here’s the truth — this is an internet forum and it really doesn’t matter what you or I say on here. So don’t get so butt hurt over a stupid topic that no one knows the answer to.
exactly - and also too much variation in software. so even if there was some kind of industry standard that was very different from cdj’s the kind of people now who want to use their choice of software and controller(s) will still feel the same way.
i’d expect to see better interfacing options with cdj’s (or whatever they will be called) and hopefully clubs allowing more space of racks of somekind for dj’s to plug in their own custom equipment.
i’m sure the screens on cdj’s will get bigger and better and allow more of the functionality that we see today in software - but isn’t one of the main points of controllerism being individual in how we control+interact with our media? (ignoring for now the other obvious reason of price and accessibility for new dj’s) so no “new standard” no matter how advanced will probably make a high % of people in this thread happy anyway.
if i had the cash i’d buy a pair of cdj2000’s tomorrow but i’d still want to be able to add some controllers and software into the mix (
) even if that meant manually synching up a copy of traktor to the cdj’s or something.
Don’t mean to hijack, just responding. You are a little misguided. Mobile DJs charge anywhere from $200 on the very cheap side…to over $5000 for a 4 hour gig. So yes, there are unprofessionals that do it cheaply, that don’t care, not denying that at all, you get what you pay for. But there are professionals that charge big money that have big equipment, including lights, uplighting, video screens, dancers, and have a roster of DJs. Not all mobile DJs do everything on the cheap. The big mobile companies have annual revenues in the millions, so believe me, they can well afford spending thousands on gear and do care about the industry.
This whole convo started becasue the statement made that clubs drive the DJ industry didn’t make sense to me. I think the thought process was that big Djs use CDJs, big clubs will have them installed as long as big DJs use them. Big DJs influence others to buy the equipment they use, therefore CDJs will stick around. I don’t think they will stick around much longer in there current form. When a company makes a product they want to do it as cheaply as possible. Pioneer will make a controller that is essentially a CDJ without the CD player and still charge a little less than a CDJ. It may take a few years, its not gong to happen overnight but the CDJ in its current form will get phased out. Again I can’t see a club having a controller installed because it is too personal. Every DJ has their set up. I do see more clubs leaving space for a controller and a line to plug in. Only time will tell.
Not at all my man, just stating my opinion. Everyone has their own ides and thought process, I may or may not say something that sparks a different idea in someones head where they say, hey, I never thought of it like that, and vice versa. Its the sharing of ideas. It may sound heated at times but thats OK, its about having a passion for DJing.