i’m the type that thinks “the more knoweldge the better”, so any chance to learn something new or a new perspective on things, i’m open ears..
With that being said, I don’t think I could pay for an online music school/program.. I’m a in person, hands on type of guy, thats how i learn.. I pick things up and seem to remember them well in the standard classroom/teacher setting. I am planning on taking Music Theory classes @ my local community college, I would like to float around, get certified in a few programs and take some courses i’m interested, maybe even hit dubstop up in person..
Short version- Online schools = no bueno for me.. Local Community College and other like music programs ae what i prefer as you get more hands on and contact with instructors.
Nah no way. I’ve talked to a number of dubspot folks and done a couple of their live classes - and they are all very cool people. I don’t see them pulling that kind of thing at all.
Live classes were amazing, I would definitely go again. Reasonably priced too but I only did one-day seminars. The online classes look too expensive to me but after reading that praise I might check out the Maschine class when I finally get one. But it does really depend on whether online learning works for you - it’s definitely not for everyone. But I am really comforted to know that you have actual access to the instructors in those classes, and even better that you also can learn from the other students as well – in my opinion, that is worth paying for.
I paid like 800$ for the traktor 2 course which i started now cause i wanted to check that out before i pay $4000 for the logic couse as i was really scared that online learning wouldnt be for me. But i now prefer it ot a class room i have a really nice studio and in the comfort of my own home theres really not much reading and in the videos ( which are jointly done by shiftee and endo) they make jokes go through things more than once and there not booring AT ALL . If i miss something i can watch the video again and i get DJ Endo three days a week comes on @ 1pm - 2PM monday to wednesday and i get to pick his brain honestly im really enjoying it and i know with the logic one ( which im definatly gonna start soon) its taught my Matt shadetek and by the end of it we will have a 4 track ep to release go through everything from production to mix and mastering techniques. They should do a sample course so people can understand how it works maybe like a cheap weekend sampler.
In a weird way i feel like im taking one to one training but its really not again i did a ableton with point blank and couldnt cope with it i wanted to sleep every time if i wanted to read about it i would have read there tutorial that comes with it. I learn easier with the videos as long as there not like robots and keep it natural.
Yea and mac pro video but these are tutorial videos when dubspot is about the music as well and goes over alot more than the software and you get video feedback from the tutors there two very diffrent concepts but for most the lynda etc ones will be fine im working on a release and i love the fact that i get feedback on my workbut there not cheap. The main thing i like is the tutors all seem cool and make really cool music everyone just seems on a level if that make sense but if its just the software you want to learn go to lynda.com macprovido sonic academy and my favourite groove3 but what you gotta understand is dubspot doesnt just cover the software its about applying to the style of music you make.Ill give you guys feedback when i start the Maschine electronic music, foundation and logic pro but at the moment im just doing the Traktor 2 and Digital Dj’n Course
Lol thats quite funny but as long as you have the right equipment at home and decent monitors you learn as much if not more than going to a school and what appeals to me the msic the artists there make is more on a level and every week you get video feedback of your work from the tutor. I guess its wateva floats your boat but im happy
I was gonna go check out the Dubspot open house one of these weekends. Being in NYC, it’s hard to justify doing the classes online, as well as not having the set-ups they have. Will report on my findings when i make it over there.
Woah so I’ve been out of this thread for a little while and its all kicked off!
I’ll answer a few queries that I read on here first.
Bov - I saw you mentioned the free tutorials by the guys on youtube. You mentioned Ellaskins / DJtutor. His stuff is great, and would definately reccomend him. Point Blank are actually working together with DJtutor at the moment to hopefully come up with some great free content that will combine both of our best bits. Things are yet to be finalised, but we will be promoting across facebook and twitter and all that business when we do. I’ll post something in here too so you dont miss out.
*Moon - Although our online courses aren’t technically ‘hands on’, our tutors do create videos of themselves working on your individual assignments and giving one-to-one advice which can be kept and re-watched whenever. There are also forum discussions which the tutors are heavily involved in. Our Direct Video Responses are exclusive to Point Blank.
*bigheadmikelove - While on Tom Cosm’s forum (which is another great tutorial youtube guy) I saw that Yianno had written the exact same response as in here :Tom Cosm.
Keep the feedback on how we can improve our courses coming guys. And of course keep the positive feedback coming…it keeps us going on the long and lonely nights here at Point Blank.
If you have any specific questions, then let me know!
Ooops i think i might have upset somebody which i promise was really not my intention and actually now that your watching you can confirm that i dont work for point blank the email i registered with you was yianno@inbox.com a few years back and you can confirm to everyone i live in the uk but thats besides the point respect what your doing but dubspot really works for me ive already started my second course ESSENTIAL MUSIC FOUNDATION which changed everything for me again apologise if i have caused offence didnt think that you guys would look at this .
I wasn’t upset by it. I think it’s a bit wierd how everyone gets on the offensive if you post for the first time anywhere (which I do quite a lot whenever someone is asking about Point Blank). I don’t quite understand how you are meant to ever get into a forum community if everyone starts a fight with your first post.
It’s good to get feedback anyway, good or bad (though we like good the most!). It’s really interesting that you have studied at a few schools. What areas do you think Point Blank needs to improve on?
To be honest i enjoy go along with a course it gets me motivated to keep doing stuff wether i necessarily need it is another question . I did the ableton course which at the time i knew nothing about ableton with point blank and wanted to come into the school but decided to do it online and in my opinion there was far to much reading involved for me i didnt get into music to read so much text with the videos they were very clear very well made but just feel a bit robotic and straight to the point which sometimes can be hard to watch the material was great though . Only reason i posted because i was excited and wanted to share that never thought id learn so much online never knew you guys would read it but i wish the best as you were the first online music course i ever heard about .
It’s interesting that you say that about the Ableton course. I noticed that you took the course in the summer of 2010.
After noticing it had gotten a little stale (I think it was a few years old even when you took the course!), we decided to update it and give it a fresh new look. It is now much more up-to-date and should be more engaging with the students.
The Ableton Live – Production course has been recently relaunched by Jonny Miller, our very popular Dubstep course developer who has worked with Zed Bias and has releases out on K7, Hospital, and 4Hero’s Twisted Funk labels. He gets consistently fantastic feedback and I’m sure readers of the forum can make their own minds up by checking out the many genuine course reviews which feature on our website. Here’s a quick example of what we’ve heard:
“This course has really exceeded my expectations and has brought my production skills to life. Everything about this course was top notch, from the great tutor feedback, the detailed notes, the positive reinforcement, the fellow students, the DVRs, which are priceless, and the amount of info packed into this course. I am more than happy with the outcome, and look forward to the minimal tech course!”
Cheers, Robert
Yianno I know you took the course before it was re-developed, but I would like to hear from anybody who has taken the course in the past few months and see what the difference in opinion is.
Cheers,
James - PB
p.s. sorry about the slightly sales pitch style chat in the middle!
Ditto. He’s a bit of an annoying spoon if you watch him for too long, but the short 5-10 minute spurts covering things is a good way to learn.
Watch a vid twice, then go off an do you own thing until you get where you think ir right. Do this to cover all of the basics and once that’s all done and you’re confidently equipped with the basics, then go ahead and get creatve and experimental, figuring things out for yourself.
That’s how I’d approach it if I was a beginner. However, everyone’s different.
What I wouldn;t do it spend thousands on a over-the-net video course! There are lots of very good and cheaper tutorials out there, like the Groove3 and Lynda.com ones, that can do a good job at giving you the foundations plus more.