How well do you know the tracks you are mixing

How well do you know the tracks you are mixing

The topic says it all…when you are DJing, how well do you know the tracks your mixing in? I went to a dj course a while ago and the tutor told me that you dont need to know the track because all music is written in 8 bars, so when you are ready to mix in a track, count an 8 bar period then mix the next track in, cutting the bass of the track you are mixing out of and upping the bass of the one you are mixing in. Of course, it is great to know some tracks very well so you can actually apply effects at the right moment and know when to drop them out etc but just wondering how well you guys know the music you are playing? Thank in advance. Sorry for the long post : )

Most tracks I know off by heart.

You got bogus advice. You need to know WHAT will happen in 8 bars time. Knowing that SOMETHING will happen in 8 bars time is not enough information.

Knowing WHAT will happen will allow you to pick the next track, and when to bring it in.

You need to know the tracks, specially if there are vocal parts on unnusual places, and vocal + vocal usually sounds terrible.

If you mix without softwares than you need to know your tracks A LOT. Because there arent much visual info that can tell you whats going to happen.

If you mix with a software, then you don’t need to know your tracks that much (but should), as you can place lots and lots of cues of different types (at least on Traktor) to have a clear view of what is going to happen next.

This. There’s a massive difference between the hats kicking in, the bassline kicking in and a vocal kicking in. That being said, if you listen to music often enough (not necessarily the same song), you can kinda tell what’s gonna happen, but knowing your tunes is still better.

Knowing your tunes, is one of the most important aspects of being a DJ.

I know mine off by heart, whenever I buy something new it won’t get put on the shelf until it’s been played a few times over a couple of weeks and once I’ve listened to it that much, I’ll play it out and then it will be organised into the collection.

This way I know I’ll know that record the next time it gets pulled out.

Playing digital shouldn’t be any different, just because you have visual cue’s, there’s no excuse for not knowing your music.

There is no denying that knowing the tracks would greatly benefit you especially if you want to apply fx and be more creative. But if you are mixing outro and intro then you are not going to be as surprised. When i say about not knowing the track…i dont mean not knowing what it is or if its got vocals or not, but simpy the structure to that song i.e. what bar does the bass drop out of a particular song

any track that is worthy to go in a mix gets listened to at least 25 times. that’s the beauty of spotify and soundcloud, i don’t have to buy a track right away.

Precisely. Think about this scenario.

You’re playing peak time, so you’re trying to avoid any drops in energy with the exception of breakdowns. You’re mixing in a new song whose bassline drops after 40 bars. You swap the basslines after 32 bars of this song. Although you’ve done your phrasing correctly, you end up with 8 bars where the only bass comes from the kick drum and that’s a massive drop in energy.

There are lots of different things like this which, I think, are what separated good mixing from great mixing. The technical aspect of it anyway.

Yeah thats what i was thinking about. It must be difficult in the pressure of performing in a peak slot, to remember intricate aspects such as when a bassline is due to vanish in the track you are mixing out of. We have to be prepared for this, so what are our options? Note: im not asking to be lazy and use the backup method to replace knowing a track very well prior to performing. What i do sometimes is mix in a song with the bass set to zero, then switch basses with the one im mixing out of. Sometimes it works great, other times not so much, especially if there are horrible key clashes. I have heard a lot about the ‘camelot wheel’ where djs only mix certain tracks what are in harmony. I know a lot of people will frown about the limitations and call it lazy but its good to know about all aspects of these methods, because when the pressure is on…i want to be armed with all the methods i can grasp to get me out of jail : )

that advice makes no sence
thats like saying EVERY CAR that takes gas is built the same
Every pair of shoes with laces will last 3 years

obviously not. And songs are the same. How would this 8 bar timing work when you are mixing an extended vocal version track into a RADIO EDIT

trust me, that 8 bars does NOT exist the same between the two tracks

The tutor taught us to count 4 bars for radio edits, instead of 8.

you can’t tell a story if you don’t know your tunes mate.

wow that makes even less sense
and i didnt think it was possible

Are you paying for this guy? If so ill bet he has a magic elixir that cures all which ales all.

Who’s holding this farce of a tutorial class and where can i crash it?

Oh - that I’d like to see! Turn up mob handed and CRUSH that fool! :angry:

Theres a difference between not knowing what your playing and not knowing what bar the bass dissapears. I am on about the latter. Can you go through your library and automatically say what bar the bass drops out, or when the crispy hi hats dissapear on the top of your head?

Lol exact opposite for myself and like others have stated. I know every inch of the songs im playing.

I know the bars and what comes where in most of my tunes off by heart but its not just about making the beats/bars/phases match up and i’ve found myself listening to a lot of the percussion that was throwing some of mixes out. Whilst some aspects of a tune in genre, bassline and BPM etc all seemed to fit, a particularly ‘tingly’ sounding snare or aggressive Clap for instance would make the mix seem a bit off and seem to change tempos/impact of the mix which i wasn’t looking for.

i can just see is flash mobing that place with Giant DJTT signs

Well, to be honest, music IS structured in a certain way. If you buy any of the EDM Beatport top 10 tracks, you’ll notice they’re structered pretty much all the same. There are some minor duration differences (some have 8 bar drops, some 16, some 24) but everything is structured.

So, if you know why everything is structured for as long as it is, you’ll soon understand the songs in that genre. And if you understand that simple theory, it’s quite simple to mix music. So, I fully understand why the teacher said so.

However, knowing how a song works, and listening to whether or not they fit and how you can keep up a high level of energy is a completely different story :slight_smile:

At long last…somebody who understands