the platter feels crappy on the 900
Woot!
Checked out the 900ās last night. VERY NICE!
I then also heard we getting the DJM800!!!
SO STOKED!
We needed an upgrade. We had sick A&H and Pioneer mixers but due to it being used outdoorsā¦and being the āhouseā equipmentā¦they get banged up pretty good.
[quote=āDj.You.S.Bee, post:15, topic:11706, username:Dj.You.S.Beeā]
your an idiot, they are on both, and to say there not on 900 only makes me think you have no idea what ur talkin about. LAWL
[/quote]Try talking normal to someone. I should have edited the quote right. I was talking about the color diplay and the wave form (there is a wave form on the 900, but its nowhere as easy to read as on the 2000).
But still. Talk normal to fellow board members. No need to act like a jerk, even though someone is wrong 
itās the internet. thatās always too much to ask. lol
[quote=āmmauve, post:24, topic:11706, username:mmauveā]
itās the internet. thatās always too much to ask. lol
[/quote]Agreed. Though the guys acting all though online, are the quiet ones in reallife 
Ok Guys, I have a pair of CDJ900ās. Part reason for my purchase is that since the getgo of my DJing aspirations I have always wanted to learn how to beatmatch. Whilst I own a VCI and enjoy its use, I couldnt resist the charms of the semi tradiotonal approach. I was kind of sitting on the fence for a while when deciding to splash the cash but when i read that the cdjās had an inbuilt soundcard which made for easy intergration with Tpro without the need of timecode, well i was sold.
Anyway, after having spoken to a friend at home who has the cdj2000ās I was somewhat dissmayed after him telling me that the soundquality via cdjās soundcard was easily heard as being less of a quality than that of the audio8, for this reason he was reverting back to timecode operation. These claims of a lesser sound were confirmed by members here and various other readings on the net.
So, keen to get answers I was reading through the pionner forums and yesterday I joined and posted asking if there were to be any updates with the firmware or drivers that might improve sound. Its proberly clear from my posts that im not completly clued up on all things to do with D/A converters or the difference between 16/24 bit. (this is something a plan to remedy having finished this post, google you are my friend)
So for the benifit of our readers here I have copied my post and relies from the pioneer forum below.
Jukai
Pioneer Newbie
Location: 2009
Registered: 22 June 2010
Posts: 2 Posted 22 June 2010 12:43 AM IP
After having heard that the inbuilt soundcards with the cdj900 arnt yet of the same quality as say an Audio 4 I was dismayed. My primary reasoning for moving from a pure digi dj setup was to learn how to DJ in the traditional sense. This led me to the cdj900ās. Not only could I learn to beatmatch but at a later time when i wanted to incorperate my dj software it could easily be done without having to use timecode. As i said, I have read bits an pieces here and there, as well as having a good friend with cdj2000ās who also said he could tell a distinct difference in soundquality, as such was reverting back to a timecode sysytem.
I also read this;
There has been some confusion as to the quality of the soundcard in the CDJ-900 and 2000s. Despite Pioneerās claims that the soundcards have a bit depth of 24, they can only be used as a 16bit 44.1KHz device until some proper drivers arrive.
So my question is, will the soundcards be able to perform better than what they do currently. If so, Is there a general timeframe.
I can live with the soundquality being not primo for a while as long as I know that at some stage in the not to distant futuere this would be improved.
If not then I will have to upgrade my DJ software for timecode operation.
D!Jayd
Pioneer Newbie
Location: Lebanon
Registered: 18 June 2010
Posts: 17 Posted 22 June 2010 01:31 AM IP
The new new driver has been released v1.102 (for PC only)ā¦Its new feature is the added support of 24 bit depthā¦The announcement is listed right at the top of the CDJ2000/900 topic board.
Hope it helps,
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Pulse
Pioneer Product Specialist
Location: Vancouver, Canada
Registered: 24 October 2006
Posts: 28889 Posted 22 June 2010 11:16 AM IP
@Jukai > Welcome to the forums.
As @D!Jayd says, the 24bit drivers are now available and to be perfectly honest, the spec and quality of the D/A converters in the 900 and 2000 are superior to that of the Audio4.
For what itās worth, if youāre not playing 24bit source files from your computer, you wonāt notice a difference.
Pioneer National Trainer // Product Specialist
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Jukai
Pioneer Newbie
Location: 2009
Registered: 22 June 2010
Posts: 2 Posted 22 June 2010 04:18 PM IP
Thanks for the replies. So the new driver being released for PC, is there not a new driver for MAC? Both people I know personally who both testify to the lesser sound quality of the inbuilt soundcards both use Macs and both are using both WAV and 320kps files downloaded from beatport. Whether or not these are 24bit file sources Iām not sure, however it doesnāt change the fact that when they compared these files between Audio4 and cdj2000, the cdj2000 just doesnāt cut the mustard. Why else would they choose to revert back to timecode rather than use the purpose built cdj2000. Iām not trying to bash pioneer here, I love my cdjs and I canāt wait to get home so I can update the firmware.
you say the spec and quality of the D/A converters is of a high standard, does this necessarily translate to overall sound quality being better, Iām sure there are more components than the D/A converter alone within the soundcard that contribute to the sound.
I understand that no own here is going to come and say, well you know what, our soundcards arenāt as good as others on the marketā¦
so I guess what I should be asking is, Is this it? My Mac and my cdj 900ās as they are now, this is all it will ever be! No extra additional improvements will be made?
For what itās worth, anyone contemplating going for the CDJ2000 or 900ās, you should have a read over on the Pioneer forums. As with any new equipment (or most anyway) they are having some problems. One worth mentioning is that the BPM indicator on the new 2000 and 900ās arenāt accurate. This is something I noticed with mine, For example, if I have the exact same track on both decks perfectly beat matched they might display BPMS 1 BPM Apart. This didnāt bother me so much for at the time I was just concentrating on using my ears. However avid CDJ users were saying that the CDJ 1000 mk3 were perfect for BPM indication and the newer versions were way off, this was also true for the master tempoā¦ people were saying that the new master tempo was horrible in comparison to the earlier models.
This I found concerning as surely any new models in any technology should be an extension and improvement of earlier models. Even more disconcerting were the replies made by the CDJ repsā¦ They seemed a little arrogant in their retort, saying that these guys shouldnāt be relying on BPM for beat matching and real DJs use their ears. But wait a minute, these guys have paid thousands of dollars for the new models, shouldnt they at least be expected to perform better that the older models. Pioneer have since brought out updates to the firmware that hopefully fix these problems, but how is it that such a reputable company can bring out a ānew speciesā and expect people to drop heaps of cash, then only to have them perform subpar, arenāt they playing these things before they leave the workshop.
Just my 2 cents, I still love my CDJās I just hope pioneer get their shit together as far as support is concerned
man, thats some poor customer service attitude coming from those reps. if i dropped 4k for a set of space age hi tech, supposedly next level pair of cdjs, EVERYTHING better work right, even if i aint gonna use it! its a matter of principle
I will buy a steak dinner to anyone who can reliably (ie greater the 60/70%) spot the difference between the audio interface on the CDJXXX and any other high ends system.
I nealy just posted a personal email to the missus here by accident as I had copied it by mistakeā¦ if that was posted it would have gone straight to the WTF thread..
Anyway, I have since hads more replies on the Pioneer forum as seen below. Maybe I should have just provided a link, but ill just stick to what I did ^^^
Wjat I plan to do when I get home is test it for myself on a decent club system and maybe have a few friends there to see if they really can tell the difference between to 2ā¦ then ill post results here.
FROM PIONEER FORUMS
Pioneer Product Specialist
Location: Vancouver, Canada
Registered: 24 October 2006
Posts: 28924 Posted 23 June 2010 12:39 AM IP
@Jukai > Macās donāt require a drivers; CoreAudio is built-in and supports it without need for drivers.
No, the WAVs from Beatport are NOT 24bit. Theyāre 16bit / 44.1kHz. 320kbit MP3s are well below that also.
Iām not taking your posts as bashing, no worries there.
The CDJ-900 and CDJ-2000 both use Wolfson DACās, which, if you do a bit of Googling, are regarded as some of the best available. The whole idea of a high-quality DAC is to be as transparent as possible, providing an accurate and colouration-free translation of the audio from digital to analog.
It could be, much like an older tube amp, or a vinyl, you and your friends prefer the āwarmā sound colouration of the other soundcards whereas the CDJs are so clear that they sound ācoldā or ācrispā.
Pioneer National Trainer // Product Specialist
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Jukai
Pioneer Newbie
Location: 2009
Registered: 22 June 2010
Posts: 3 Posted 23 June 2010 05:23 PM IP
Pulse, I appreciate your replysā¦ this si reasurring. My problem is I havnt yet comparred myself because I was 2 busy learning to beatmatch when I first got my cdjās and DJM800. For now I will be away from my gear another three weeks. When I get home ill run them both my audio4 and straight out of my cdjās on a good club syystem and see what all the fuss is about. I can see what your saying, maybe it is just a matter of what people are use to hearing and subsequently percieve a different sound as a loss of qualitY. Ive heard the same argument made between guys who like to run thier tracks via PN and those against it.
In 3 weeks time ill give them a test and ill tell you what i think. Cheers!
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Pulse
Pioneer Product Specialist
Location: Vancouver, Canada
Registered: 24 October 2006
Posts: 28924 Posted 23 June 2010 05:35 PM IP No worries, and if you find out otherwise, Iām certainly willing to learn that something Iāve said is incorrect so I can be correct in the future!
I would go fucking Genghis Khan on those assholes if they said that to me. Who gives a shit what you think I should be doing or using, I paid a premium price, now deliver a premium product.
That would be like me buying a new car, the air conditioning is barely putting out cold air, and the salesperson telling me āyou shouldnāt be using it anyway, it lowers your gas milage.ā
Bottom line for those Pioneer āCustomer Supportā types - mind your own fucking business, fix my shit and shut up. Itās your job.
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On that note, I donāt use the BPM read out, but I did notice that the 1000MK3 were way more accurate when I paid attention to it.
actually i can, very very easily, i can do it with any track (provided a good monitor speakers are used)
i use audio4dj + TSP and cdj 900s, when i tried using the 900s by itself without traktor and i instantly hear the difference - audio4dj sound is much much much better