Possible CDJ's?

Possible CDJ’s?

I’m currently using a denon MC-6000 and a midi fighter to mix, but I’d love to own a pair of CDJ’s (using my denon as the mixer) for mixing without my laptop. Anyone have a suggestion for a good pair of CDJ’s? I know most people will say “pioneer” right away but those are MAD expensive unless you find a good deal on a used pair. Any specific models I should keep an eye out for?

NOTE: I would like a pair of CDJ’s that have a USB input because i really don’t feel like burning massive amounts of CD’s

yo, the numark ndx800s are alrite for the price, i suggest the pioneers tho, its chalk and cheese.

cdj 400s if you can a set used.

IMHO, the CDJ-2000 is the only one I’ve personally used worth buying…which is why I don’t own CDJs.

If I could find them to try out first, I’ve heard good things about the Reloop RMP-3alpha. For $500/ea and working with CD, USB keys, and as MIDI controllers, I’d seriously consider a pair if I really just wanted CDJs.

IMHO, stay away from cheap Pioneer…they feel like toys and still cost an arm & a leg…my CDJ-200s were the worst DJ Gear purchase I made…so effing boring and annoying to spin on.

The Stanto CMP800s sound decnt from this review

http://www.digitaldjtips.com/2011/10/review-stanton-cmp-800-multiformat-dj-players-with-midi/

I have to say the top end Pioneers. Basically because they are the best there is no doubting it.

You can get 400’s at certain Guitar Centers right now for 399 a piece. Mix from thumb drives, cd’s, or aggregate the sound cards and use them as Traktor/Serato controllers.

Mostapha, why did you find the 200’s annoying and boring to spin on? I’ll admit they are a bit bare on some features, but they are tanks and get the job done.

Mostly it was a feel thing, but they don’t do anything right except not fail.

Looping was always a bit of a bitch on them, to the extent that I never relied on it while mixing, which means I never used it…I used doubles instead, which also took the place of hot cues that they didn’t have. Speaking of doubles, they don’t scratch, so beat-juggling was kind of annoying…at least it was doable. I wouldn’t have wanted to scratch with that platter anyway…I had to do a slight modification to make the pitch bending less sensitive so I could actually mix on them. The mod was easy, and it worked, but the felt like crap before that, which mattered because the pitch control felt like a worthless piece of garbage compared to my 25 year old mk2s and waaay worse than my m5g. Seriously, I own several midi controllers that feel like they’re made of better components. Also, they failed on me more times than Traktor, SSL, and Ableton combined…though it only took out one deck at a time and they’re faster to restart, so that’s a plus. And, the effects sound like garbage.

And they cost like $500/each new when I got them. When I finally got rid of them, the best I could get was less than $100 for the pair in perfect condition minus some minor cosmetic scratches on the sides.

Just about the only good thing about them was that they didn’t catastrophically fail and need to be replaced over the time I had them. But while I had them, I kept buying vinyl, bought and sold SSL twice, bought FS2 and used it 'till I switched to an Intel Mac and they never caught up, switched to Ableton, and then switched to Traktor Pro without time code. I spent the entire time I owned them trying not to use them. Seriously, when I went to sell them, I hadn’t turned them on in over a year and was afraid the dust was going to cause an electrical problem. When I had to do a gig after a break from DJing, I remember looking at them, deciding “screw it” and buying SSL for the second time instead of plugging them in.

I really hated those decks.

When I bought them, they were the first affordable Pioneer CDJs in years…and I let people convince me that it was more important that they’d work in 5 or 10 years than me being the least bit happy spinning on them. It doesn’t matter if something doesn’t fail if every time you use it, you consider throwing it away. I honestly don’t know why I didn’t return them in the first week except that I was sketched out about whether my computer at the time (my last PC that was starting to have issues) could run a DVS well or not, and I kept thinking “this is where the world is going…might as well move on.”

They’re literally all that money for 2 buttons, a bad pitch encoder, and a really lousy jog wheel with a weird progressive sensitivity that doesn’t feel anything like 1000s…and no other useful features.

Frankly, the CDJ-400s scare me for the same reason. They do more, but they feel like they’re continuing the legacy of the 200, not the 1000. They feel like the same cheap components and crappy plastic instead of the amazing-feeling 1000 and 2000 series.

And I don’t even mind spending the money on gear if I have it, but based on what I’ve seen, the only CDJs worth buying are used 1000s (which I can’t find), new 2000s (which I can’t afford), or hopefully that reloop, mostly because it has the features I’d want to spin with and looks like the plastic might be nice enough to justify $500/each every year or two when they fail…and a couple people I trust said they’re impressive for what they are. But I’m not buying without at least touching them first, and no one has them. The design of the reloop is close enough to the 1000 and has a big enough platter…plus I hate the way the 400 feels…I’d buy the reloop first even for more if I were in that market just in the off chance that they don’t suck…and knowing that they probably won’t last more than 2 years while the Pioneer would easily last 5. The 400s feel like the same crap that the 200s did…at least to my hands.

I know a lot of people who love the 200, and I tend to be fairly opinionated…so take everything with a grain of salt. They did work with no real issues for several years, and they were easier to carry around than turntables and a DVS. I did some fun parties with them when I had to bring my own decks.

But, I would never buy them again and consider them the biggest gear mistake I’ve made.

:open_mouth:

Can’t argue with any of that. Looping is fairly useless on any Pioneer CDJ lower than a 1000mk3. I would guess that if I spent 500 a piece on them I might have a different perspective. The second hand market has been kind to buyers, and made it a better value (I got mine for 100 bucks a piece from a friend). I’m not sure why they thought effects on the player was a good idea… That said, I haven’t had any issues with them with either cd’s or for timecode use and in my opinion have been fairly robust and durable, which obviously makes my opinion different. But like I said, based on your experience, you won’t catch me arguing how you feel.

i dunno man I have 400s. Really about the only downfalls I find are looping, and the display is too small to read anything. THat being said they work perfectly fine for me. I spin sets on them all the time and feel fine and comfortable spinning them. Plus they play everything. If I could get a set of 900s or 2000s I absolutely would but for the price 400s do everything I need.

Is the CDJ 850 a decent model? I’m even considering selling my DN MC6000 and midi fighter to pick up two of those and a mixer. What would a used pair of 850’s go for, generally in the U.S?

If you’re going to spring for the 850, get the 900. While they are a good player there are some very KEY features missing from the 900, that make the difference in price well worth it.

i agree. If you can get 850s, might as well go for 900s.

2000s are really the only ones I would consider. 900s are nice too but if you are already dropping that much cash I would get the 2000s and even the 2000s aren’t exactly to the point where I think they’re worth it (I’m waiting for traktor style zoomed waveforms and cue points without connecting a laptop and dealing with recordbox). Other than that used CDJ1000MK3s are the best deal. You can find a pair for $1000 if you hunt around craigslist but then you’ve gotta burn CDs.

worth burning cds, promise!
The players at the club will still work with cds for a couple of years.
But the concept of just bringing USB sticks to the gig - thats what I like.

agree with poster ^ about cuepoints. Bought the mk3’s just cuz I can store 3 cuepoints on each player. Now I thought this was PER SONG when I got them but it was PER CD which is dissapointing. However, in sweden the mk3’s is also a better deal than buying 850’s/900/2000 because not all the clubs have USB players but they do allways have cd.
Still you can put mp3’s on CD and fit like 40 songs, no biggie.

I suggest you go with mk3’s and if u dont wanna burn cds you should get DVS setup. This is if you not get a amazing deal on second hand newer models.

Right. That’s what kinda pissed me off about getting rid of them. I tried to sell them for $100 to $250/each several times in the last year or 2 I owned them, and no one was interested. If I’d gotten them for $100/deck and never played on 1000s…I would love them.

As they were, I’d pick CDJ-1000mk1s over them any day.

Also…how the hell did you use timecode with them? Did the response get that much better since the last time I used a DVS, because you couldn’t use hot cues, looping, or cue-button drumming with a DVS the last time I used one. The only way I ever figured out how to use a DVS with CDJ-200s was to set a loop of the time code, put the software in relative mode, and use midi controls or the computer keyboard for everything else…which would have made my CDJ-200s into $500 pitch encoders.

Have you spun on anything else? Even the 900s feel like toys compared to the 1000 and 2000 series. They’re close, but they’re like the 800s were to the 1000…just good enough to make you wonder why you didn’t spend the last few hundred.

Also, keep in mind that 1000mk3s flat-out feel better than anything else Pioneer makes besides the 2000 and will read mp3 CDs. Browsing is a bit weird, as it’s based entirely on folder structure and there’s no searching (at least, not that I remember). It’s not as convenient as a USB key, but it is a lot easier to carry a 96-cd wallet than a laptop and sound card. At least, that’s what I think. If you’re not going to be using sync, the more advanced features of your software, or Ableton…IHNFC why anybody would bother with a laptop.

to above poster^

Yeah, i’ve been messing with 100 200 400s 800 1000 900 850 and 2000 :smiley:
Most of them works as they should but you can immiedietly tell which ones more expensive by build quality and feel.

But it’s true, the 1000 really got a good workflow, a joy to use if it fits your needs specvise.

Yeah, mp3 cd’s works like a charm, and I feel safe to burn alot of my library to mp3 discs because there is just a couple of places that have cdjs 1000mk1 or mk2. Sad that theres no good browsing/search function.

The one who says he can hear difference listening to the far too common crappy PA in the club on a 320kbit MP3 and a regular audiofile is either a superhuman or a lier.

I’m a pure soundnerd and been listening/comparing hi-fi stereo/w electronics for a slight crazy amount of money playing same song in those different formats above and still hard to tell the difference.

I used them as a DVS solution briefly between the time I wanted to venture from CD’s until the time I picked up a full fledged HID controller. I was NOT able to do anything besides looping the timecode cd’s and operating in relative mode as you described, and used a mouse for the ancillary functions, effectively turning it into a pitch controller, again as you stated. It’s actually the reason why I purchased an HID controller. I wanted to relegate the players to CD duty only, as I think with the options for controllers out there, (and I know I’ll get hammered for this)DVS seems kind of pointless unless you are big into vinyls or scratching, and as basic CD players I think they do just fine. So from that point you are 100% correct. I don’t want to come off as a champion fanboy of CDJ-200 rights, I was just very curious as to why you felt the way you did. As a hobbyist without delusions, all of the shortcomings are liveable, and they are a decent place to start. For someone such as yourself with extensive experience gigging, I can see why you feel they are useless, and find it difficult to recommend anything from Pioneer’s lower end.

Well I’ve used a full Reloop set-up, 2 CD player and a mixer. Didn’t like it. I really didn’t think they work as well as I hoped. I even had to do a full 1 hr set on them. Not too good!

At $100 for the pair or even $100 each from an individual you trust…sure. For their price of $400 new or like $200 used from somewhere like GC…I think I disagree. I think any of the not-bottom-end controllers are better. I’d spin on a VCI-100 long before CDJ-200s…but I guess that assumes you already have a decent laptop and don’t mind using it.

400s seem to cost like $700 on google shopping. If they’re cheaper than that on the street or you get them used…cool…but you could almost buy an X1, an Audio 2, a VMC-002xl, TPro upgrade, and a Macbook for that. And all you lose is (IMHO) crappy scratching.

I’d switch to CDJs in a heartbeat if I could afford my dream setup…but unless you’ve got basically an unlimited budget, I think controllers just win. If you like the whole controllerist thing, then they win anyway…

The only reason to use CDJs like that is because you just want to…and I just don’t want the OP to have unrealistic expectations. The CDJ-200 IMHO really does compete with the Stanton, Numark, and Reloop players…not the other Pioneers.

Drat. Oh well.