Is the vci-100 pitch fader any use for beatmatching??
was just reading a post on the TT forum about trying to make the pitch fader more accurate when adjusting the pitch of a track.
I noticed today when I was trying to learn the whole beatmatching skill that I could get the tracks in sync for a bit but because the pitch slider wont go to the exact tempo that the other track is at it goes all out!?!?
Some people were sayin that you can get a higher resolution using the jog wheels and others saying they have their pitch faders set at +/- 6% if this can be done how can you do this?
Encase you are wondering, im into trance, house, prog etc.
Would the CDJ mode for the jogwheels sort me out???
Using the pitchfader you can change the tempo of the track which will let you beatmatch. To help you make minor temporary adjustments you can use the jog wheel to “pitch bend” the track.
People are recommending you decrease the range on your pitchfader because it will decrease the sensitivity of your pitchfader making your adjustments more forgiving when beatmatching.
Make sure you don’t have sync turned on because I’m thinking using sync and beatmatching is counterproductive.
This video explains and demonstrates beatmatching with CDJs:
To reduce the range in TP go to Preferences > Transport > Pitch Fader Range.
You can also change the Pitch Bend settings below that.
To pitchbend using the VCI 100 touch the glass part of the jog wheel. Touching the metal part will stop the record just if it was vinyl.
The reason is with MIDI controls, faders/knobs work in increments of 1/127. What this means is, as you slide your fader from top to bottom, it only sends out 127 messages to your computer. That’s not very precise as you can imagine, and is partly why I really don’t care for beatmatching when using MIDI.
On the other hand I love beatmatching on vinyl because it feels 100x easier.
So using the glass part of the jog will pitch bend which i already know, but that doesn’t solve my problem of matching the bpm exactly. Is there supposed to be a way of using the jog wheels to fine tune with out it being temporary?
I tend to hit the sync button when cueing a track so the bpms are the same then its very easy to drop the track and keep it matched with the outer jog wheels I hardly use the pitch fader tbh. The sync deactivates when I hit pitch bend but the bpms stay the same.
Totally with R2D2 on this. If im using timecode or just decks ill beatmatch and enjoy djing the way i learnt.
If im using the VCI its for controllerism . Ive got better things to be doing than fannying around with pitch faders (that arent that precise). Hit sync, get the tracks aligned and then make adjustments with pitch bend and do some crazy shit with the contoller. My sync button is set to Hold so it doesnt stay on but if you want it on all the time just do it.
Each to his own. I like to mix dj methods and i dont care about one or the other. For me controllerism isnt about replicating turntable djing. Its about opening up my scope for doing stuff i cant with decks alone.
You do get used to the pitch faders but they are a bit clumsy… or is it me thats clumsy… probably
I grew up on vinyl when I first learned about sync i naturally thought it was a cheat ect blah blah blah trust me I hated on it !!! but tbh all sync is doing for me with a vci is finding the sweet spot which on vinyl takes about a few secs then the pitch bend is like squeezing the spindle or touching the outer platter of a Technics same thing
I love my Vinyl always will trust me I have a far few thousand disks spent a shit load of my money growing up on it really I see all this digital mixing esp with controllers a progression imo at least with the vci or any thing with platters
I can rock anything that has a spinning circular disk
I was drunk once and told someone “Give me 2 car stereos , ill beatmatch with them.”
You get to a certain point in your dj life when proving you can beatmatch no longer seems relevant. Leave that discussion to the kids. It what comes out of the speakers that matters.
I love my 1210s and i use them regularly without the software cus ive got lots of nice records but at the moment im totally digging on the controller thing.
I also learnt on vinyl moved to cdjs then laptop. And i was probably cynical about all the moves after vinyl but im no snob. I detest the vinyl snobs. You even get CDJ snobs. I had a guy going “why the fuck are you using Traktor when you have 2 CDJS, thats stupid” someone like that doesnt even deserve the breath it would take to answer them.
So more or less what everyone is saying is that a vci-100 aint the thing to learn beatmatching on? I feel a bit cheated now tbh all this fuss on recommending beginner DJ’s a VCI when you cant really learn to beatmatch properly on it?
For me guys starting to DJ means I really want to learn the basics i.e. beatmatching and all that. I really love the VCI-100 its a stunning piece of kit, just hope someone can help me do what I need to do on it!
Does anyone use the CDJ mode on their VCI jog wheels?
it´s good to hear that a new dj wants to learn the basic before starting out but you shouldn t care that much about pro and cons - pitch vs. sync - sync without nudge or whatever…you can also ride the pitch on a vci-100 and use the edges of your jogs to sync your tracks..there a many ways to rome
after you have uploaded your first mix online or handed it over to some friends..nobody will ask how you did ride the pitch on that blend or how often you touched the sync button … if the mix is tight - it doesn´t really matter imo..!
if you really want to learn the oldskool art of djing then get some frigging cheap belt drive tts and buy some Proper vinyl man ffs
I am astounded by the youth today FFS!!!
basically if you really want to mix then do it this way get some cheap ass tts buy some vinyl and LEARN then get some Technics when you have the money and feel the skills then after all that
I was playin away there when I used with a method of beat matching that one of the guys was talking about, basically when I load a new track into TP I hit sync straight away so the bpm is set, Done, when thinking then of mixing the track into the one already playing, I use the pitch bend on the jogs to get it all in sync.
Me likes this method!! tho, is there a way you can set the outside of the jogs to adjust the actual tempo rather than bend the pitch?
You can beatmatch with the tempo faders its not impossible, you just have to make some more adjustments to keep things in time. Keep practicing and when 14bit midi for the vci hits with the 1.4 firmware it will be a little easier
that comment reminds me of a link to a new zealand auction site i found on the inthemix.com.au forums.. unfortunately the picture is gone from the site but the description and comments are still there. the guy was selling two pioneer car stereos in a suitcase as a dj setup. the comments are f*cking GOLD!
click the link, its definitely worth checking out!
trust me I hated on it !!! but tbh all sync is doing for me with a vci is finding the sweet spot which on vinyl takes about a few secs then the pitch bend is like squeezing the spindle or touching the outer platter of a Technics same thing
lol
all this fuss on recommending beginner DJ’s a VCI when you cant really learn to beatmatch properly on it?
