sorry to bump this thread but I think it’s an interesting topic.
it seems inevitable that there’s gonna be a market/demand for sharing remix sets with other Traktor users.. particularly as NI has made the process of creating and saving the remix sets so easy.
So where do we draw the line, legally speaking?
Are we allowed to share remix sets of copyrighted music? Probably not. But what about creating remix sets from sample clips uploaded by the artists themselves? Or what about creating remix sets from mixes that have been uploaded by the artist, label or other dj’s?
As if the are wasn’t gray enough already. Maybe it’ll follow the different creative commons licensing and use when remix sets are distributed. So I could release a track and remix set and say you can use it and share it, but you can’t sell it. Or I can release a track with a remix set and say you can use it, but can’t share it.
I don’t know about where you are, but in Canada, it’s illegal to even DJ live without paying licensing. Most club’s/bar’s will pay this and the DJ’s aren’t aware…But for mobile DJ’s it’s usually their own responsibility to pay for it, which most of them don’t.
But it is a bit of a grey area. Look at artists like Girl Talk. Not only does he make sample numerous songs and chop them up to make an entire song comprised of clips, but he does live shows and uploads his albums onto his site for free downloads. I don’t think he has been sued yet, but people are definitely thinking it’s inevitable.
In Canada even though you pay for licensing, it’s still illegal to give out mix CD’s, since the licensing is only for “live music”.
The licensing fee seems a bit ridiculous, and when I studied music production and engineering, we had a copyright class and our instructor worked for SOCAN which is the governing body in Canada that’s responsible for copyrights. He told us that when you pay licensing it goes into this “fund”. And since there’s no way to figure out how to distribute the money, it just sits there…And how could they distribute it? Are the going to listen to your entire set and give an equal portion or your licensing fee to whatever artists you play? No.
If you guys want to see an interesting documentary about remixing?
The entire movie is available on Youtube in separate parts or on netflix.
so if I was to upload remix sets of some copyrighted tunes and share them on DJTT, what would be the mods/admin stance on all this? (would it depend on how much of the copyrighted tune has been sampled?)
what about if it came with a warning that you must own the original tunes before you download/use the remix sets?
Uploading samples from copyrighted tunes is the same as uploading the entire tune. Even uploading remix decks using purchased loops is probably not a good idea unless the licensing gives you the right to share. That said we have to go on the word of the people uploading them as we’re not going to be able check each and every remix set.
Sorry for being offtopic but is someone here who can tell me which song the strings at around 2:20 are from? I’ve been searching this song for months always having this string melody playing in my head!
In most cases, the people in question are small potatoes, so the responsible governing body probably has bigger fish to fry. But using music that you haven’t paid licensing for, whether you upload a mix set, or have autoplay music on your website is all illegal. However, unless you’re a DJ who headlines live shows, nobody is really going to care.
Rumor has it The Verve didn’t make any money off that album. They didn’t clear that sample, and when the legal battle was over they were left with nothing.
what about if the samples are taken from preview clips or mixes that have been uploaded by the producer/dj? or if they’re sampled from high quality preview clips from shops like itunes/beatport/etc?
I wouldn’t call itunes/beatport previews high quality. While someone doesn’t come in here wanting to sell his remix sets without clearance I guess it should be fine (in theory you are not allowed to sample and distribute any media material you purchase but even I uploaded the project file for a mashup a while back and got nothing but compliments from both users and mods)
It’s something that would surely deserve it’s own batcave thread. NI forums doesn’t even allow users to upload sets to avoid any legal claims.
and the funnier thing is the rolling stones stole it from an early blues artist, can’t find the info on the web though… It’s not new with the rolling stones either, they stole a lot of blues melodies and lyrics…
Unless it’s royalty free samples or you are the original creator of the samples don’t share remix sets. All things apply here as they would with full length tracks tracks
Stairway to heaven… i think not, but hey i could be wrong… link to source please…
Yes zeppelin as with the stones drew inspiration and even a little more in the way of chord proggresions from older blues artists in a few of thier tracks, theres no denying that, but ive enver heard anything in the way of stairway being similar to another track prior to it.
zepplin are artists with inspiration from blues, the stones were thieves in their early carrer taking entire songs and not at all in the league of zepplin… it was ultimately good for the music culture though as they introduced the masses to the 12 bar blues which is the foundation of all rock music not counting crap like death metal or more experimental bands like tool and mike pattons many aliases, but neither would likely exist without blues being influence, we would probably still be listening to folk music made by hippies.
