New studio ideas?

New studio ideas?

So finally i have became happy with where my DJ’n is at and getting quite interested in production. I was thinking about getting into the whole making beats thing but me and a mate had Nelski up in our residency and in the studio and this has given me the final push.

I have sat and looked through thread after thread, tutorial after tutorial, blog after blog and think i have came to a conclusion to what i am looking to buy..

I already have a Macbook 13" to run TSP but this would be used to mainly just gigging and stuff and i have KRK Rokit 6’s but these probably won’t leave my ‘DJ’ setup.

So after some research i decided its time to get a new desk on the go with a good studio set up and to be honest even if the production doesn’t work out, it always kicks ass to have a good sound system and computer..

List so far:

New Mac mini (i specced it up to what i want and costs around £1200)
Duel 21" screen (already own)
Magic Mouse and Magic keyboard (already own)
KRK VXT6’s
Ableton Live 8

The only thing im struggling with is a control to control my monitors into the Mac mini?

Whats everybodys opinions on this? I already enjoy using Ableton basics, wasn’t to fond of Reason and Cubase.. and reasons for getting a Mac mini instead of an iMac is i already own duel screens and everything that comes with it unless somebody can convince me??

P.s, i also do photography and am a full time graphic designer so Photoshop etc will be used on the Mac.

thanks. :slight_smile:

No keyboard or ableton controllers?

I did think that aswel but i thought to myself im just beginning with Ableton so once i get the hang of things id then add a keyboard or something :slight_smile:

But if did have the urge to use something my mate has a few moogerfoogers, phatty and a few other things i could use. lol.

haha no shortage of expert advice then.

haha none at all! So any input on my thoughts?

I don’t see much wrong with it but I’m no producer! Only thing is you’ll probably want some kind of Production level sound card with good quality balanced outputs, something like the NI komplete audio 6.

I’m sure someone can chime in with more useful suggestions!

Get an iMac over a mac mini, more bang for buck :smiley:
And like FullEnglishPint said, you’ll want to get as sound-card as well.
My advice? Don’t buy an M-audio FTP unless the drivers will work well on mac, because on windows vista(7?) they’re total bs. :wink:

The mac mini idea is good, what are the specs on the one you’re looking at?

A quality soundcard is a must, i wouldn’t go for a NI one tbh id get something more like a Focusrite Saffire 6, then you’ll want some soft synths, NI Komplete 7 has most things that you’d need to start with.

Ehy!!Check the motu audio express sound-card. I LOVE IT!!! :smiley:

for production, use cards that do not color the sound i.e. U should get a nearly flat response ( before mastering ), best is the apogee duet or u can go for the previous version. Take a look at yamaha hs50s for monitors. Krks would grow on you.

yeah thats a good point go with a apogee duet 2 when its released, if you’re wanting to record vocals it’d be a decent idea to get a pre amp too! FMR RNP is a fantastic one for the money.

As far as monitors go, i’d ALWAYS say Genelec, i’d be lost without mine!

Meh. At that price range, I’d just not buy an interface or use whatever he uses for DJing. It’s probably not garbage, but you can do a lot better for not much more money.

I’ve never heard of FMR before, but they talk a good game. If it were me, I’d trust the preamps in the Duet 2 over a lot of outboard gear until you’re getting into SSL territory or higher, but I honestly don’t know that much about preamps. The ones I’ve used all sound about the same to me (only used Focusrite and SSL), but I’ve never A/Bd preamps.

Production sound card? I was looking at the Komplete 6, i have no idea where to start with sound cards. I already use a Audio 8 for DJ’n that’s about all i know lol.

Yeah iv been having thoughts, the only better thing with the mini is the hdmi.. But the iMac has thunderbolt etc and the i7 (if i spec it to that). As said above i also have a Audio 8 at the moment but as far as soundcards im gonna have to research more.

I think iv scrapped the idea of the mac mini for an iMac :wink: lol, as for soundcard see above :slight_smile:

Even though i mentioned monitors i have been looking at other things also, just unsure yet. The only reason i had mentioned the KRK is due to having the most experience with them.

Will never be recording vocals (well not for a good few year yet anyway) :slight_smile: so thats not really an issue. What Genelecs do you use?

You’d be surprised how easy it is to record vocals if you’re the least bit selective about your equipment…the hard part is finding a vocalist and writing the vocals…and IMO the former just happens if you want it to…the latter…well…I don’t know you.

Also, I know it wasn’t addressed at me, but we have 5 8030a’s in the school’s studio. They’re kind of impressive, though they also cost a lot more than KRKs.

And you mentioned sound cards…

tl;dr version: IMHO, buy a Duet 2, use what you have, or use the built-in sound.

full version: Do your research, but based on everyone I’ve talked to who actually makes money on recording/production, it kinda goes: Apogee > Avid > everybody else, though a lot of people absolutely swear by MOTU, a metric boat load of people use NI because they haven’t been exposed to anything else, and I haven’t talked to anyone who’s used the new-ish SSL converters. On a budget, well, read on…

Considering that you’re doing EDM and look like you want to work completely in the box, I wouldn’t waste money on anything less than a Duet 2. A friend and I did, and I regret it, though in my defense the Duet 2 didn’t exist back then. IMHO, You’re just going to be spending money on shiny until/unless you actually get into recording (not just producing in the box) and it takes a good bit of money to get better than the Duet 2. Based on limited experience and opinions of people much better at it than I am, the next step up is the Avid 003, then Apogee Ensemble, then Apogee Symphony I/O with the real benefits of the last one not showing up in Ableton, since it can’t work with the Avid|HD cards or TDM plugins.

For a bedroom EDM producer, the only real advantage I see about going up from the Duet 2 is to record more than one thing at a time, doing things like detailed M/S Stereo with 3 mics instead of 2, or placing mics to double/triple up vocals or instruments instead of using delay/reverb plugins…so, recording tricks. Those 2 ins and 4 outs are perfect: just enough to properly record a guitar cabinet, get a basic M/S recording of a vocal, or some kind of stereo recording of an instrument in an interesting space. And it fits in a laptop bag easily.

Or for the time being your audio 8 dj is enough to start producing demo tracks, Get feedback,experience and work upon it. That would approx. take a year maybe…! So you don’t need to splash on the best gears right way, save up some bucks .

Thanks for the input, i won’t reply to it all but i have taken note of everything and i am going to look a bit deeper, i have a few mates who write and sing which could work out, but will get creating beats first :wink: And thanks for the advice on the Genelecs.. Oh and i’m writing a reply on DJF also.

A think this is what i will do until i get better and it comes to a point where i need one. If i really needed one i could borrow my friends M-Audio until i have got one.

What about a controller, would u do all with your mice ?

if you want to produce and are going to the bother of getting yourself an i7 imac then you really should be using Logic mate

I might get a shot of some sort of controller from a friend but until then i would just mess around using the mouse, as i said im in very early stages of starting production so it my importance is getting software, a decent computer (i need it for my graphic design also) and decent monitors (would buy them anyway due to i like a good sounding speaker). Then a few months down the line i would buy a controller.

I might go check if they have a demo, the reason i have went for Ableton is because thats what my friends use and what i kind of got familiar with fast.

I’m not sure if they offer a demo of Logic…they’re probably selling it mostly on its well-deserved reputation and the fact that it’s probably the best alternative to Pro Tools in the high-end world. Before Pro Tools 9, Logic allowed you both to run whatever sound card you wanted and use the HD DSP cards and TDM plugins if they were available. AFAIK, it’s the only alternative that does that, though I could be wrong.

As for sound cards…yeah, if you have an Audio 8, then all you’d gain with anything middle of the road would be more options for balanced IO. You probably won’t get better converters until you spend at least that much on another one.

As for controllers…you don’t need one yet at all. There’s a lot to be said for even the so-called “entry level” stuff with motorized faders and scribble strips. M-Audio and Avid make stuff in the $1500 range, and Euphonix makes some fairly nice modular stuff that will grow with you. Once you’ve used one, you might find it hard to work without it. That’s actually the one place where I think Ableton just flat-out loses. It doesn’t speak HUI–at least, not the last time I looked at controllers–so you’re limited to MIDI…which more or less eliminates anything with motorized faders that I’m aware of.

As for DAWs…use whatever you’re comfortable with. They don’t sound better or worse, especially now that Pro Tools has automatic plugin delay compensation. They’re different in terms of what plugins they can use and how easy/quick it is to do certain things…and they all have their strengths and weaknesses. I perhaps know Ableton the best…there’s nothing better for live performance, but I think it’s garbage for production/recording…it just takes too long to do some things, and it doesn’t let you use awesome features like window groups. But it doesn’t really matter if you like it.

If you like it, you like it. And that’s kind of all there is to it. For me, Logic is very slightly edging out pro tools just because it runs on my hardware and isn’t tied to Avid’s slower than anything update cycle. And those two win hands-down compared to everything else I’ve tried. But everybody’s different, and there’s something to be said for learning whatever you randomly choose first really well before you go shopping for an alternative…that way your’e not learning “production” at the same time as whatever software. The downside is that they have different ways of solving problems and knowing one really well might make it hard to switch.

In that regard, Ableton does do a few things very differently than others…their signal chain is ridiculously explicit and detailed…possibly more so than some of the others…but it looks a bit different. Plus, there’s the whole session view thing that basically nothing else has…which would be great for sequencing if you have a bunch of grooves you want to use but aren’t sure of the arrangement. In practice, I don’t think it’s worth it…but I just don’t think like that.

Logic → Ableton was a really rough switch. A few years later, Ableton → Logic was a nightmare until I forced myself to learn Pro Tools. Pro Tools and Logic are almost drop in replacements for a lot of tasks…basic setup and the mix windows are very very close, they handle window groups similarly, some of the tool icons and behaviors are similar, etc..