S4 is still the best traktor controller out there. The ONLY reason u want the pioneer is cuz it says pioneer on it. If u put them side by side the s4 beats it in mamy ways. dont see why u would want to waste ur money on such an outdated product already.
Yeah, if you want to do those sort of things you need an iPad.
Pioneer advantages: sound card, scribble strip, size of jogs, size of pitch faders
S4 advantages: SOFTWARE, level meters on all channels, price
The new controllers’ relevance is going to depend on whether NI deprecates Traktor Pro. A lot of these controllers may work well for Traktor Pro, but the S4 is clearly the better controller … for the S4 software. I get the feeling NI is going to phase out TPro, which would give them an upgraded software and the best hardware controller for it.
Do you mean the current version? Cos they already pretty much did that by selling off stock at half price and announcing a new version…
Well, NI discounting anything is usually an informal announcement that they’re discontinuing it. 
And it would be dumb of them not to sell the S4 software by itself. And god knows NI has never done anything dumb.
What i’m saying is that we already know for a fact that it’s happening lol, haven’t you seen this?
The Pioneers both look very sweet, and, I would guess are probably of a better build quality than the S4. But the Kontrol S4 is the only one tailored to the S4 software, has more features and a better price point. I don’t remember how much the denon is, but that controller looks sweet too-but, its still not tailored to the S4 software. I think they all look great, but the S4 is the clear leader in the clubhouse to me.
Phasing out old Traktor pro = yes, only to bring in a new updated version. S4 has no timecode support as of yet and dvs systems are far from being phased out, i never see that happening actually. Controllers are gaining in popularity by the thousands, and controllers are awesome and do alot of things. But DVS is not goin anywhere anytime soon. NI would be idiots to stop DVS support, They would basically be handing Serato hundreds of thousands dollars by doing so
lol
Can a mod please change the title of this thread? It eerks me SOOOO bad.
The S4 now has some quality competition, but obsolete? The OP used piss poor terminology and I think it should be corrected or removed.
I used to be into skateboarding back in my teenage years. It was mostly just my friend and I going around causing mayhem XD I had a bunch of tricks down and could skate pretty good. But he couldn’t skate if his life depended on it.
I had and older beatin up skateboard setup, but his was top of the line stuff. Best trucks, bearing etc. No matter what he bought or added, it didn’t make him a better skater.
is this your friend?
srry, love that kind of vids 
hahahaha
IMHO S4 is best digital midi controller out there
before getting one i was really confused and lost since its my first time picking a digital controller but as usual when buying something i always compare then use my secret weapon cough google cough and just search for cons on each and every device i have/had on my list
thats how i ended up removing VMS4 and adopting S4 and am really happy with it and there have been no issues like on other controllers and S4 software is a Major plus <3
. .but that’s the only boombox I got 
it shows in that NI video that the software used is Traktor Scratch Pro. they will be by no means “phasing it out”. I realise NI have screwed people over in the past but everyone is jumping the gun. the only info we’ve had from NI about it in months is a one minute video. If/When they release more info confirming that they will be discontinuing support for audio dj 4/8 and traktor pro users, you can freak out. but until then, can everyone please stop making assumptions?
The S4 has lots of life in it, give it 12 months and let’s see where it’s at.
I’m a lil Suprised the Numark NS6 didn’t get a mention as compared to the s4 / Pioneer / Denon debate.
personally it think it looks a whole heap better than the Pioneer with the flexibilty of a separate mixer like the denon, just with freaking huge jogs.
The Denon or S4 IMHO would be perfect with bigger jogs though (damn you all!!!)
I know I know, technically its an Itch controller, but it does use standard midi so I guess mappings will come.