record DJ set, but High quality recording

record DJ set, but High quality recording

Hey everyone,

I’ve been recording sets from my external mixer through audiohijacker on my 13" Macbook Pro’s line-in for a while now.

The problem I have is that it seems like my mix looses that ooomph from live mixing compared to when I play it back through the same speakers. It sounds flat and lifeless.

I liked being able to record straight into my laptop’s line-in since it was easy and convenient, but I’m starting to really questiont he quality of the recording.

I have an audio 4 laying around that I could use, but I didn’t think it would really make much of a noticeable difference.

Can anyone give me some suggestions on how to improve the quality?

fyi: my equipment is two cdj 850s, with a Korg Zero 4 mixer using traktor scratch pro.

thanks in advance!

Audio 4 would not hurt. I would give that a try.

If the recording from the A4DJ is the same then I would guess that there’s not a problem with the recording of your mixes. And that your problem lies elsewhere.

I’m gonna give it a try, but I guess I’ll explain why I haven’t taken the obvious step of using my audio 4 for recording already. Basically when I spin out at clubs I use my audio 4, so the fact that I can record with my line-in allows me to still record without the audio 4, since it doesn’t have enough inputs. At home I have a firewire mixer that is scratch certified so I don’t use the audio 4, but since I already use the line-in and i have it all setup, I just do that.

So basically i’m just trying to see if maybe there’s something internally onthe computer that could help me out, or if it’s just the soundcard quality.

Do you record your mixes with your Audio 4?

btw, thanks for the repsonse.

There’s nothing wrong with the macbook’s audio interface. No, it’s not a 192io, but it’s not that much worse than any of the cards aimed at DJs.

The problem is how you’re recording…probably something to do with setting levels wrong. You should be seeing nice, loud levels in a meter that never distort…then, all you should have to do is normalize the recording with just a bit of headroom to prevent ISM distortion, and you’re done.

I’ve recorded DJ sets with everything from windows sound recorder to Pro Tools, and frankly they all sound about the same quality unless I screw up something like leveling.

I kind of in a similar situation as yourself. I use my Audio 4 for timecode, so when I record mixes I use my S4.

But I did notice that my mixes sounded flat, but it ended up being a level issue. I had to mess around with that for a bit before I got my mixes sounding just as good.

Maybe someone with more info can chime in, but IIRC the line in on Mac Books use the CPU to handle all of the A/D-D/A? So I’m thinking that having a dedicated sound card to handle that might help in the sound quality.

As for when your playing out, yeah that’s a tough one.

thanks for the replies guys. What do you use for recording. And I suspect it may be the levels now. What program do you use, and how do you adjust the levels?

I use audiohijacker because it allows me to input audio form a program or source and output it to another program or source such as soundflower (2) or another soundcard. This is useful for online streaming.

Mini DAT ftw

sorry, but what exactly is mini DAT? Hopefully you didn’t mean Digital Audio-tape…

I use Audacity to record outside of Traktor.

And yeah mini DAT is just that. lol!

DAT: Haha showing my age

Didn’t mean tape - meant hard disk

Something like this:

http://www.thomann.de/gb/zoom_q3_hd.htm

lolz

ah ok cheers,

I was more looking for a computer based solution, so i would have less things to carry with me.

Thanks for the post though.

i’d go for the audio 4 over the line in anyday mate. do you use the booth out or record out of the mixer?

I use the record output. Should I be using the booth instead?

thanks,

Ok maybe try both and see if it makes a difference. We actually use the master out on the djm600 as we have xlr connected active speakers, otherwise the booth out usually. let us know how it goes mate :wink:

Ive had this issue for a while.
You need some post processing of your mix to bring back the life. Personally I use a 2:1 compression that brings the gain back up to 0db in audacity. Nice and simple but does the trick.

thanks for the replies guys, I used my audio 4 last night through Audacity, and think the quality is better.

The only thing i’m trying to figure out is how to output the input higher. I.e. I have the input going into Audacity and recording and outputting to Soundflower for online streaming.

Do you knwo if there is a way to increase the volume while you’re mixing instead of after?

What do the levels look like on the meter bar in Audacity?

Are they low/quiet there as well?

If so you can increase the volume on each audio track at the left hand side - just above the pan controls.

Yea I don’t get the volume option until I start recording, then I have to stop recording to set it, but then a new track is started when I go to record again.

The input level (the red coloured levels) is fine, but the output is lower.

If you use your input to record into something that does live low-latency monitoring, you can use that to record and use its output to stream using soundflower or jack or whatever.

Honestly, if I were doing that, I’d just use Traktor’s recording and streaming. The mixes on my mixcloud page (which should be linked in my sig) were all made either in Ableton Live as rendered studio mixes or recorded using Traktor’s recording off a random output from my mixer (probably the record out, knowing me) into my FS Open. If you’re having serious issues controlling levels, you can probably get a reasonable outboard limiter for less than the cost of a professional DAW. Plus you get to sound like a stud when you describe it to people.

If you go with a DAW, you want to record the audio direct (simple) and between what gets recorded and what the DAW outputs, you probably want a brickwall limiter with just a bit of gain in front of it…control the unintentional peaks but keep the volume up for streaming. Aim for no more than 2-3 dB of gain reduction at the loudest points.

So, in summary

DJ Mixer → Some input → DAW (record the input) → Gain Stage → Limiter → Soundflower → your streaming program.

Or

DJ Mixer → Hardware Limiter → some input → Traktor for recording & Streaming.

The downsides of the second option are that it’s really easy to squash the sound to death and that once you screw up, you recorded the screw up…in a DAW, you can always render the recording with less limiting (or pre-limiter gain). Your stream will still be messed up because it already happened, but the recording won’t.

The simplest DAW that I know will work is Ableton Live (don’t need Suite but Live Lite doesn’t have what you need), but if you’re willing to find a limiter plugin online somewhere (there are free ones available…OS X comes with one, for example) then you could do it with just about any DAW that does live monitoring.

If you’re not monitoring the DAW’s output and just streaming it online, latency isn’t even really a concern…it just has to do it in real time, even if it takes a second or two to process the audio. Reaper looks like it might be a good choice if you want to take the cheap route (it costs $40 unless you make more than $20,000/year from music) or Ardour might work if you want to take the free route…I just haven’t used it.

If I needed to do that today, I’d probably just use Ableton Live because I already have it…or I’d take advantage of the educational pricing while I can get it and use Pro Tools or Logic just because I could.

You’re using Audacity right? It only turns red when you’re clipping. Turn it down.