Indeed!
You are able to drop more than 1 beatgrid on a track.
Indeed!
You are able to drop more than 1 beatgrid on a track.
Complete - I’m at work now and can’t see the vid. I’ll check it out later.
Does the vid show a song that has varying BPM’s throughout and the actual BPM changes while the song is being played? Lets say a song that is a transition song and goes from 128 to 108 with a funky remix in the middle. Does the end of the song play and show 108 after it started at 128?
Also another thing about the waveforms is that with the colors it makes it MUCH easier to grid a song. I’ve had songs in Traktor that end up gridded on snare while others on a beat. With Itch you can line them up on the red wave and thats it. You don’t even have to listen to the song to determine where the grid goes.
I hear ya Rob. Trying to fair as well. This is one area Traktor needs to improve. Just as Itch needs to improve its Effects.
I haven’t seen the video, but this is what the first line says on the link:
“Traktor can only have one BPM per song so that means that you can only automatically sync one of the 2 loops if they were set at different BPMS. For example in this video the outro loop was 94 bpm and the intro was 89. For this reason I recommend you set the BPM of the song to match your outro loop and manually beat match the intro loop”
In Itch your song will start in 94 and end in 89.
+1 to what rob said
itch is deceptively simple in appearance but once you start using it, for me at least the work flow just feels unhindered.
best solution to itchs bad fx = get a v7.
the bpm, as a numeric display in traktor, is and remains static as it creates a graphical overlay to the song
however, he demonstrates the ability to change the overlay to suit the dynamic bpm throughout a song (in this case, a led zep vocal breakdown), and create a loop point at this slow down
so the bpm counter changes in serato… traktor allows you to work around a change in the song and create a grid to suit. it would require a little more work to account for many changes in bpm (which really doesnt happen that often) but you still have the ability to preplan for cue juggling with changes in bpm / tempo
CJ,
I’ll have to check out the vid tonight because not having flexible grids in traktor and it being a static overlay is one of the draw backs – sounds like this could be a “work around”. It really makes it easy in Itch just to drop a new grid maker and change the grid from there on out, with the previous portion going unchanged. You could do this as many times anywhere on the grid. Its’ VERY user friendly and provides much more than merely changing the BPM. It’s just plain’ol easy. You can grid in a song in just a few seconds. If traktor would have this option it would REALLY get this close to Ableton “warping” (which is the style of play i feel the S4 is to blend with). I use Itch and have an S4 on pre-order (used to have a VCI-100), so I hope to give an unbias opinion on both products and this is the one area Itch beats Traktor hands down. S4, I think wins everywere else.
Either way, thanks for posting this up. I’ll have to check it out tonight.
i saw on the serato forum its actually 128 points you can lay down
I think workflow is more of a personal preference thing when it comes to software…
I can appreciate the points/opinions made/expressed by Robtronik, but there’s no denying that the Traktor workflow just works for some of us. The three mentioned “fundamentals” aren’t really the same as mine… oddly enough, one of my fundamental requirements was “spinning platters”, but that went out the window after watching Clenz Roc’s S4 video. I let the NS7 stew for a bit, but wasn’t feeling it after a while… I’ll probably let the S4 stew for a bit, until I read the first round of comments/impressions on November 2nd.
Point is… Louie Vega could look at my studio rig and say it’s all wrong… then quickly realize that I’m not the one with the hat ![]()
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Call me crazy, but I would say if he came from a TT background get Serato and a SL3. TSP is cool and it works.
My biggest problem with Traktor is the beatgrids and fx’s. the beatgrids drift on my tracks…yes i dont play EDM so i usually dont get the 4/4 beats. So when I hit the beatmasher or delay it sounds like poo sometimes.
Serato works, fx are sweet, echo fade is spot on, midi is starting to grow.
Sorry, I love Traktor, but Im secretly cheating on her with Serato.
I have two V7s now using Itch. I get that spinning platter feel and a back up unit in case one fails since you can control both decks from one unit if you need.
Less cables, less hassle since you plug in the USB cable from one of the V7s into the laptop and then connect the other V7 via an ethernet cable. RCA jacks out to mixer. Done.
No more of this crazy cable madness either. Having the V7 units is a lot like having a junior version of the S4 I would imagine.
But to the points above, you can’t have flexible beat grids in Traktor. You can work around with inflexible BPMs (but it is convoluted and less than ideal). Serato has this nailed. And gridding tracks when you have to adjust, is super easy.
This is probably again, because Serato looked at the majority of DJs and they don’t spin electronic music - so they had to come up with a flexible beat gridding option that would work.
This isn’t in Traktor’s DNA and it shows.
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Just curious what does Serato do in variable beatgrids if there is a big variation BPM while tracks are syncd? So if a track moves from 109 to 130 does the sync’d track speed up to 130 even if it doesn’t have such a transition? Could be a mess methinks… Especially if keylock is off, lol hello Alvin and the Chipmunks!
I’ve never had the need to keep two tracks synced that were 109 and 130, also you can alway “un-sync” them.
I’m pretty sure the intent is not to have a 109 and 130 synced. It’s to have have songs that fluctuate in BPM at a single BPM, or to be able to start a song at one bpm properly grided for sync purposes and then end the song with proper grids at a different BPM so you can transition to a new song with no issues.
I am a Serato guy. I am especially excited about the bridge. Being able to route effects through abelton gives you so much flexibility.
I haven’t touched traktor since traktor 3, so maybe I ought to try it out.
Yeah, I don’t know. But it would be worth experimenting to see what it would do with such an extreme example.
Who knows, we might discover the next production technique that will take hip hop by storm.
lol
You can make manual beat grids. There is a tutorial on serato.com about it.
For a DVS setup, serato - no question.
Pure midi/controller setup - Traktor or Ableton.
I vote you go for a serato w. Ableton Bridge setup ![]()
for the rare records with multiple BPMs just use the f*cking pitch fader on your TTs - that’s one of the reasons i use DVS instead of pure MIDI anyway! i’ve gone from serato to traktor. more cluttered workflow and the “feel” isn’t as nice but the flexibility of traktor wins in the end for me. you can just do more with it…
Even for pure dvs setup Traktor is superior from my recent readings. Know a dj who has been in the sereto camp for a while and never really gave Traktor a second thought. He gave it a whirl last week and already his serato gear is up for sale. Old skool dj to, proper turntable lover from the early rave days
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I understand what your saying. I really do hear ya.
But try doing that with 3 decks and 2 samples going.
With flexible grids you can just do more.