Wait, they’re straight MIDI? I’ve only seen Cubase users using them (On gearslutz), so I assumed they were proprietary.
That opens up some options for DAW control. Not sure about DJ uses, but I’m also probably the most anti-controller DJTT user at this point, so I’ll assume you guys are right.
Have you guys seen anything like these designed specifically for Ableton? I know I could map these, but it’d be nice if they had something like this jus dedicated for Ableton aside from an APC where I could control everything right out of the box.
Diggin the honesty 
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What about the new Bheringer controllers? Also cheap, and look like they would work great with ableton.
Steinberg vs. Behringer.
gee…let me think.
I see where you’re coming from, but to be fair, it does look like Behringer has stepped up their game.
These Steinberg controllers look pretty damn sweet however, and they’re not too pricey either.
I guess the build quality is up on the behringer ones, but I haven’t seen them yet so I don’t rightly know.
Re: Behringer, I’ll consider eating my hat in 3-5 years. I have faith in Nem0nic for knowing what he’s doing from his side, but I just don’t trust it yet. Their Xenyx/Eurodesk mixers are fine for small, budget live sound rigs if you absolutely can’t afford better, but the instant you take something seriously, Behringer stuff starts showing its faults.
@Oldfuzion, nope…nothing exists like that specifically for Ableton. It’s not a big player in the studio world and amateurs (however good) don’t pay for control surfaces, so no one’s built them. The Mackie Control stuff is supported by Live, and it’s the best I know of that works with it. But it isn’t cheap.
Are you talking about something like this?
I’d feel like i’d much rather just get the one’s this thread was talking about and map them. That surface looks good, but at that price range I feel like i’d rather get something like maybe even the Euphonix MC Controls. The thing is though at a price point of $150 (per piece) the other surfaces just seem over priced now. However the one nice thing is that the Euphonix is motorized.
Have you ever used one of the Mackie Control stuff yourself?
Appreciate your response Mostapha!
I have, briefly. And I’m using the Mackie Control template for Maschine to control Logic. It’s the best thing I’ve used that’s even remotely affordable (winner was an Icon D-Control, which costs as much as a Porsche). My only advice is not to try one until you can afford something that works like that. Once you’ve felt motorized faders that you don’t have to map and plug-in control that just works…you’ll never want to go back.
I’d honestly rather save up for MCU or Avid Artist stuff than even think about midi-mapping a DAW again. And the Avid stuff is more expensive, though it’s probably a bit better in some ways that may or may not be worth it. I’ve also never seen the Avid Artist series work with anything but PT, though I’m reasonably confident that it does.
Fixed…
A Rolls Royce with diamond and gold accents is worth nothing if the engine is the same 4 banger found in a ford fiesta.
And you have no reason to trust it yet. That said, I also think that you just might - maybe just a little - have extremely limited experience with Behringer gear. Of course that’s all it takes to form an opinion.
When the time comes, can I pick the hat?
for hardware? I’d honestly rather go for Behringer.
Steinberg have a horrible reputation for releasing hardware and then dropping support for it within a year or 2.
/clutches my useless midex3
I think this series of behringer controllers is purely to raise capital, the next series after cmd may have the potential to become something very special if enough of these sell, but I doubt that will be a problem based on price and modularity, time will tell what the units feel like though, Are they still being released around march/april it was sometime around then that was posted on the scratchworx blog
I heard the Behringer controllers aren’t due until around May?
I knew it was one of the “M” months, just got mixed up lol
All product releases exist to raise capital. NO ONE releases a product without intending to profit from it. That said, we DO have plans to expand our offerings in the future. Any MI company that isn’t working on controllers now is going to fail in the future.
Release date for CMD has always been summer 2012. That’s it. Nothing more specific.
My point was behringer had never created anything until the ddm4000, now you are using Initiative and actually designing equipment not blantly ripping off pioneer and allen & heath products like the NOX series and most things before them. Of coarse the idea is to make money, the difference is you are going into it with your eyes open… In the past it seemed like behringer’s only concern was to keep it’s factories running making little profit off terrible cheap products. Now you are getting ready to be contenders and that’s great to see.
My prediction for 2012, everyone will switch to behringer controllers running vdj8, hell will freeze over 
Well I appreciate that! I hope to see that as well!
Ummm … BCR2000 / BCF2000 / BCD2000/3000 ? …
On another note are the encoders of the new units going to be bolted to the front panel like the X1 or just soldered to the board like the BCR