I was hoping someone could help me with this problem in having.
When mixing using dvs i can’t get the tracks to sync perfectly when manual beat matching. Even if i get the bpm as close as possible. It almost always jumps out of sync. When i pitch bend it goes in for a second then jumps out. It’s not like vinyl where even if the bpms aren’t perfect it will go in and slowly go out. This is driving me crazy. I calibrate my decks every time i use them and my latency is at 256. When i mix using the jog wheels on my s4 i can mix perfectly.
This video isn’t the best example as it eventually goes in perfect but it gives you the idea of what I’m talking about.
Is anyone else having this problem and is it normal? .
Might be jumping to conclusions here but is this your first time mixing with Technics? There’s something known as “Fighting the Quartz Lock” (can’t remember the official term) where pitch bending influences the platter but then the direct drive motor overshoots or undershoots to correct the adjustment. Huge departure from most other OEM turntables + cdj/controller platters. Eventually you’ll develop the touch necessary to feel it out more. This is one of the large nuances of Traktor DVS that I don’t think really exists on vinyl or other systems.
Could be. Set both TT’s to +2% (or -2%) and see if it makes a difference.
Also - could it be to do with your Tempo Sync/Beat Sync settings? This would affect your beat matching if you’ve got it set to Beat Sync AND your Beat grids are out.
I’ve had my Technics since 2002. I’ve never heard of fighting the quartz lock theory, do you think It could be my turntables that are the problem?
I’m not using sync so I can’t see how the sync mode would affect It. Also my beat grids are perfect, If I hit the sync button they match perfect.
I’m using an S4 as the sound card.
electroshock - The problem is that the tracks don’t stay synced. If you look at the phrase meter It is constantly just out. During the video i’m pitch bending the record and It goes in for a second then goes jumps straight out.If the new track is to slow and i nudge it forward it goes in for a second then goes out again. The tracks are not massively out, but enough that it sounds terrible. I don’t have this problem when using the jog wheels on my s4.
I hope this explains my problem a bit better and thanks for your help.
“Fighting the quartz” is not a fault, but not sure it is the reason here.
Check the strobo on your deck if you know how to read it, it will show you if the deck is ok.
As said above, tt and controller nudging behaves differently but I’d be surprised if that’s new to you. Basically you have same bpms but can’t sync them perfectly?
My decks are in perfect working order though they could probably be doing with a service. I can mix vinyl fine on them.
I know what I’m doing when it comes to mixing. I don’t know if there is something i need to change in the software or if this is normal when using dvs due to pitch drift as I’m using analogue turntables.
It’s like it’s in or out and no in between. With vinyl if the bpms are not perfect it will go in and slowly go out. With traktor it seems to go in then jump out just a fraction. This doesn’t happen when using the jog wheels.
Am i the only one this happens to? .
I was going to say the same but he says “The tracks are not massively out, but enough that it sounds terrible.”
Now if that’s exaggerated maybe it’s the normal wow and flutter or the tt has a speed stability problem which can be checked on the strobo.
I really hope It’s not just the normal wow and flutter from using tt. It’s making me not enjoy mixing using dvs and I love my technics. i have been using the jog wheels a lot more because they are better to mix with and I’m just using my technics when mixing vinyl. I’ve checked the strobo and they both look fine.
Maybe I’m being a perfectionist. Does anyone else struggle to do a perfect mix when using DVS?.
Like I said in my initial response, but let me clarify. You’re using the phase meter to read “sync” and notice it pops out even though the Bpms are locked. Let’s say your pitch bending the track slower so you put your hands on the platter. You’re probably releasing your hands as soon as you see the phase meter set in the middle, and then it’s instantly popping out as if you never pitched the record. Try overshooting the pitch bend on the phase meter. It’s all about developing the touch. Traktor really exaggerates the TT movement using a higher frequency range so it’s picking up on that motor correction.
So to re-iterate: overshoot the pitch bend by just a little and you will see Traktor correct it to the center of the phase meter.
I also get this with the same setup. Its not you thats at fault here. I havent found a fix yet either.
No matter what pressure you put onto the deck it just wont match them perfectly.
If your slowing a track, (phase about 5mm infront) with a little pressure, it goes into time then when you let go of the platter phase jumps back into the exact same place you started from (5mm infront again)
Too much pressure and it jumps 5mm behind on the phase and stays there. It never sits dead centre. The tracks are in time it just wont sit perfectly in sync, it always jumps out a couple of mm and its always to the same place.
Speeding up is the same, when you push it on, it sits in time for a split second then jumps out a couple of mm. Depending how much pressure you use it will either jump back to exactlty the same spot you started from or jump a couple of mm infront.
That’s my problem exactly. Have you tried using any other set up? . I’m glad I’m not the only one who has noticed this. It’s not like vinyl where it goes in then slowly drifts out. With dvs it literally jumps out.
ImNoDj i know exactly what your saying about not chasing the phrase meter but i used that example in my video just to illustrate the problem. I enjoy ear mixing and try not to just visually match the bpm which i find just boring. Have you ever mixed two tracks where they are just slightly out and the kick drums cancel each other out? . I get this all the time where i match the beats prefect then traktor kicks them out just a fraction and the kick drums cancel each other out and it sounds like the bass has been taken out. What set up are you using? . Maybe it’s just the s4.
I can beatmatch ive had turntables for about 16 years. I just dont understand why it never sits in sync on the screen. Yes it sounds fine and i only really use the screen for loading tracks. Its just somthing id noticed and wondered if it was like that for everyone or an issue with mine.
How come if i use the s4, phase is slightly out. I move the jog wheel and it just moves exactly into place? With dvs it never sits in sync its always about 5mm either side.
So everyone who has dvs, the tracks never sit perfect on the screen? Im not talking about what you hear. I know it sounds ok, i’m just curious as to why it never lines up on the screen. It dosnt really bother me cos it sounds ok but since someone made a thread i’ll chip in my experience with it.