Firstly, I know different folks want different things included for Traktor, but the one thing I have always wanted to know is why there is no post fader effects in Traktor.
I know absolutely nothing about writing programs, but this seems to me to be something that could easily be set in the preference. Have an option tag; Effects POST / PRE fader.
I have read somewhere that one reason is that the majority of users want Pre fader effects, but what about those that would like the option?? Is it so hard to make the option available? Who did they ask to get this idea that users only want pre fader effects??
I have only used Traktor Pro and Pro 2, but from what I have been able to find through searches this feature has been requested for all previous releases by someone or other.
Does anyone know the definitive answer as to why NI has always had Pre Fader Effects only?
They are probably pre fader because 4 times out of 5 thats the way you want it. There is only a benifit when using sampling effects like delay, echo & reverb… if you want to emulate a post fader delay put the delay in advanced mode, one of the knobs is the track send, when you turn it up you kill the track input and allow the effect to fade out… Or you can probably put a gate behind the other effects, or maybe even a filter with no resonance.
It may also have to do with the way the effect units are chained in triplets, your probably better off directly asking NI support though as hey would be less likely to ignore the request.
I’ve been on the NI website and on the forum there is section for feature requests, which I thought I’d ask in there for it. However there are LOADS of people asking for the same thing already, but nothing has ever come of it. It just seems so strange to me that so many people are wanting it, and it seems (to me) like a simple thing to do, but never gets added to any releases?
it should just be a mappable function that you could map to a button and easily switch back and forth at your leisure. i can tell you that pre fader effects really limit your scratching x effects creativity. it sounds hellllla wack when your delay stops when youre cutting, however this does indeed sound hellllla fresh with post fader. i agree strongly with the OP that this shouldnt be that hard to include.
Yeah but you shouldn’t have to … this is kind of a PITA workaround for people who really need it; as others said it’s a nobrainer that should be built into the software.
Sometimes I think NI like to figure out the most requested features and intentionally ignore them for years on end just for a laugh…
This is true!! The only effects I want to use post fader are the reverbs and delays.
Something I just thought of; NI could include extra effects in the effects list that are specifically named “delay post” or “reverb post”. If these were listed along side the normal pre fader effects, then you could select whatever effect you wanted without having to enter the settings menu or take up another button on the controller to switch between post and pre.
Can someone actually explain how post fader fx work? I know that you get a nice FX trail when you put the fader down but how does it continue to create the effect?
It would seem that the best way for Traktor to achieve this effect is to create a Master FX channel or something.
Master and Post effects both work in the same way; they are both applied after the fader control and therefore the only factor that the fader affects is the input into the effect. Whereas with pre fader effects the fader controls the overall output of the track and the effect.
it’s simple enough to emulate, as synthet1c said, with a gator in traktor. there was a thread just a day or so ago about the exact same thing here… put a gator in effects unit 1 and your delay in unit 2. set your line fader to max and use the gator to control the line level instead. Traktor Echo Effect (fade out) - Page 3
I take it that many S2 and S4 users don’t make use of FX 3 and 4 right? If that is the case, and if I were an S2/S4 user I would definitely use 3 and 4 for a switchable post fader delay/reverb. What to control the amount with is another problem… I would be willing to give up the crossfader.
couldn’t you have a button that selects the effect, the side the slots work on and a modifier, then if that modifier is active the linefaders change to control the gate’s slider, and the led for the button lights up to let you know it’s active… thats the logic I use in vdj, accept I query if the effect is active instead of setting a modifier… vdj mapping is much more flexible than traktor !
effect ‘ramp_delay’ active on ? param_multiply 50% & param_invert & effect ‘ramp_delay’ slider 1 : volume
yes it is much more flexible but as DJ MiCL shows in his video it’s also easy enough to do within traktor.
neither vdj or traktor are flexible enough i don’t think tho to implement the logic i have in midimasher for post fader effects that grabs the current line fader position, sets the gator to the appropriate level and also puts it all back afterwards. but if anyone can do that in vdj then u can ofc
i think in that last comment DJ MiCL is referring to what extra control would be needed to adjust the adjust delay level (not the gator to emulate the volume fader) as the s2 only (?) has control over 2 effects units normally. i don’t know much about the s2 tho.
edit: i see u have the required 50% in to set the gator level initially - also needs to do the reverse when it’s deactivated.
that is an awesome function of midimasher that could be used to great effect in other areas, but is not necessary for this implimentation as the volume and the effect slider do the same thing, so if you turn off the effect you are instantly controlling the volume again, although the button to turn on the effect has to set the volume at 100% when the slider takes control… the reason it has “param_multiply 50%” is becuase the effect has only one slider to control the dry/wet from 0 - 50% and the send level is 50 -100% so I just bypass the dry/wet this means the effect is always running full wet and the volume slider controls only the send level.. It’s inverted because the slider is the opposite way around, without it the volume slider is full send kill at 100%, which does not follow the volume which is full at 100%…
If VDJ8 wasn’t getting adjustable frequencies on the eq I’d be hitting you up for midimasher to set the normal eq to the right level when I deactivate the vst eq I use while scratching…
similar reason in traktor - as to get full volume u need the gator at 50%. with midimasher u don’t need to enable post fader fx tho when the line level is at 100% - it grabs whatever the position is and sets the gator to replicate that - same thing when u disengage post fader effect as it then sets the volume level back to it matches.
the simple workaround is as u mention tho - just max out the line fader before engaging post fader effects and the same when u disengage. i just didnt want to worry about doing that - esp when it’s only a couple of lines of code in a library to fix it.
As you say, S2/4 only have control over FX1/2 so I think it is a good idea for those settling with that setup to do a little mapping to make use of FX3/4. The problem is, you only get all or nothing with the native S2/4 mapping so it would be too cumbersome for an average user to do a full mapping. The crossfader is a good choice to do some additional mapping because you can make it do nothing by turning off the assignments to crossfader (the fader will move but won’t affect the mix)
Since I don’t own an S2/4, I am not sure what other controls there might be that people don’t make much use of, and with a little luck, that can also be made to do nothing.. (obviously not the pitch fader or EQs, but maybe the filter, because you can turn it off).
ah ok - good point. i didn’t know whether u could just remove some controls from being hid and use normal midi mapping stuff with a s2/s4 or something. i don’t have any NI controllers (yet) so am in the dark about their hid etc.
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but as DJ MiCL shows in his video it’s also easy enough to do within traktor.