True. And the same can be said for the guys using controllers then too?
Its like a locked groove this argument eh…
Fuckin A, Haze. Yes. That’s exactly what I was trying to say with that big, long thing.
And, yeah…I’m aware of the Cleavelander. I’ve eaten at the hotel restaurant one door north of there and listened to the music more than once. A VCI-300 would have been completely out of place there, especially since Pioneer seems to sponsor the entire city (at least during March).
i dont think that thats what this discussion is about…
i think it’s about showing up in legit club with “toys”…when there is plenty of quality equipment to use…
(i have a mixtrack so don’t anyone get after me about using the word “toys”)
I was just thinking about what a great word “toy” is in the graffiti community. Its incredibly suited to this discussion as well.
I still think its a bullshit argument of established guys trying to legitimise their huge outlay on pricey, somewhat redundant equipment. And the fact that they have spent all this time and money getting skilled on gear that will be obsolete in the very near future.
The older school guys are threatened by the fact that some talented kid can turn up at a booth with his toy controller, plug in and own the place while the older died in the wool guys mutter under their breathe about how the kid hasn’t played a real record in his life. Its fucking laughable…
you pulled alot more out of this than i did…
i am one of the old school, been playing for 20 years guys…and i could care less if they show up with a jug and washboard…play…own the dancefloor…simple…
This. Couldn’t agree with you more.
and you better make sure there is room in the booth for you to set up…
cause if i saw you setting your gear on top of the existing gear i would be mad…
A heated discussion! I like!
For me cost is a massive factor. I would love to have my TT/CDJs back, but the simple fact is that I cant afford them (kid’s to feed and whatnot!), and realistically in the foreseeable future I’ll not be able to.
So if I can pick up a cheap controller in the near future and still manage to throw out a few mixes, then it’s a win for me. I’d have no issue turning up at a club with it, as long as my skills were at a level where I could hold my own. Yes I could still mix if I only had TTs and a mixer in front of me, but could I do it as well and as fluently as I can with Traktor? To be honest probably not, and I’ve no issue with admitting that.
yeah but im pretty sure he doesnt gig with them…
First of all, +1 Mostapha.
OK, fanny butter, let me put this in the open for you, it seems you have understanding issues.
We are talking about hate on digital, what led us to how are promoters/standard DJs going to react when you will show up with your toy in the booth.
Therefore, your acid, aggressive, and stupid post about my gear AT HOME is just in the wrong place.
I’m a student, i’m not working, i got pretty rich parents that pay for my gear.
A year ago, I decided to start DJing seriously, and I wanted CDJs, I though i was going to mix the “standard” way.
That was my first serious gear purchase, and I didn’t want to go for a crazy bill at first, so that’s why I choosed them. Cool features, recordbox, pioneer quality etc.
I don’t have any money issue at all, but I’m not a millionaire, it’s not my money, I think and compare a lot before doing a stupid inverstment.
Now that i’m fully into it, I hope that my parents will help me to get 3 CDJs 850 + DJM 800 within the next 6 months.
And then my HOME setup will be complete, for the moment.
And btw, you are defending the image of controllerists in the booth but you know what ? Judging people by their gear is what you just did with my pair of 350. I’m curious what was your first gear purchase. Probably some Hercule RMX controller…
EDIT : if everything goes as planned I will sell my 350 setup in 3 months or so. Want to grab them ? I can give you a friendly discount. 
no kidding… All the best with convincing mom and dad to get you the maddest most legit setup bro.
I’m just backing the underdog. Its like that kid that turns up at the football tryouts with the crappiest gear, boots all ratty, old jersey etc and all the middle class kids with the latest team kit, right down to the official socks, snicker under their breathe. And then the kid owns the tryout because he’s been practicing his skills and not fawning over pictures the latest gear that mom and dad could buy him…
I think their is something both humbling and impressive about someone bringing a mixtrack to a pro booth and metaphorically giving the bird to the establishment.
You didn’t even reach 30 posts yet, and you start to be aggressive. I start to think you don’t fit in here, maybe you should go away before you get used to this forum.
Don’t be mad at me, I’m lucky, I know that, I don’t feel proud about it, I don’t feel any shame about it, ok, done. Deal with it.
And there’s nothing to convince, they are supportive as long as DJing doesn’t keep me away from studying
Could we please go back on topic instead of speaking of my personnal life, I just wanted to give you explanations, no to start a debate on my parents.
Thanks.
Fanny out of curiosity…what city do u live in? And what club do you hold a residency at? What equipment is standard there? I think the large dj landscape is why so many folks don’t get what some are saying.
Aaaahh the old, “I play top 40 and commerical hip hop to 4000 people every weekend so who are you to disagree with me” argument. Sorry bro, not really keen to enter into that one
Theres many people here who have been refused the use of controllers at gigs. It’s not an assumption, its based on experience.
no ones saying it’s fair, but like it or not you will be judged for bringing bottom end ear to a gig, its just how it is.
Although the comment about dope’s home setup was out of line, I generally agree with ‘fanny butter’ on this. I like your line about it being humbling to imagine someone getting into a pro equipped booth with some cheap gear and impressing everyone with their skills. I feel the same way about musicians and producers who just use whatever gear they can get their hands on and focus on their performance rather than how shiny and expensive their gear is.
And yes, Mostapha is right that you don’t have to own all the gear, but if all you’ve got is a bunch of cd’s to play at the club, how are you going to practice at home?
So no where, and so far you haven’t offered a thing to this discussion. Thanks for trying kid.
Yeah, and? What has YOUR experience been? have you tried to push the use of a controller at gigs?
I know I’m confident enough in my own ability to stand up for myself if a venue I was booked at said i cant use my controller. I’ve been doing this longer than most of the promoters and venue operators I deal with have been out of high school, so I feel I am better qualified to decide how I play MY fucking set.