why? because it has pioneer written on it?Quote:
Originally Posted by sol*los
Thats the only reason this piece of shit is even getting a look in.
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why? because it has pioneer written on it?Quote:
Originally Posted by sol*los
Thats the only reason this piece of shit is even getting a look in.
Relax, you can stop bashing everything Pioneer now, you can finally afford one of their products.Quote:
Originally Posted by oliosky
I really enjoy seeing threads like these, if only to see all of the representatives of competing soft/hardware get all antsy about it, or for brand haters slamming it without even seeing as much as a thumbnail picture of it.
More like the Pioneer DDJ-NoGo for me...
Yeah Yeah ... you do know that the mixtrack feels like it was built from recycled transformer toy copies from china right, It also doesnt have VU meters, doesnt have customizable Deck LED's and costs a measly $50 less.Quote:
Thats the only reason this piece of shit is even getting a look in.
Here's the other thing ... NO-ONE HAS EVEN REVIEWED ONE YET!
Sorry for shouting, but this unit could feel like complete dog poo OR equally be the next best thing to a Rane 58. The fact is we just don't know and all the speculation of how shit and plastic the unit is wont change that fact.
Once its in the wild, go to town on how its the worst value in the entire DJ market, until then you might hold off on the bashing - exactly the same scenario as last week when the Aero was released, everyone started jumping on the wi-fi will not work bandwagon etc etc.. without waiting for a proper review or reading the manual to explain how it actually works if wifi drops.
If this unit had been made by Reloop, Dj-tech or someone else I doubt there would be the same hate towards the controller, sure a few comments on "looks pretty childish and expensive", but not the real "hate".
Something about the way that the pitch faders extend down into the circular beveled edges around the jog wheels tells me that either the fader caps have some weird cut out for them to not interfere, or that this is just some early artist interpretation.
I'm super relaxed here, guy. I've owned pioneer DJ gear for longer than you've been tenting your pants over your collection of pioneer spec sheets. I still have my original DJM300s that I bought new not long after initial release.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
Admit it, the only reason you have commented is because you feel the need to defend the precious Pioneer brand. You are quite the fanboy in shining armour.
@deevey It will be the same buttons, knobs and sliders as the ergo so It is pretty safe to judge the feel of the controller. If the parts change that's great but for $300 I doubt it, they may even downgrade the parts used.
The reason any hanpin products "reloop/stanton/djtech" wouldn't get the same bashing nowadays is they are made better and are still cheaper than pioneer. I personally don't like the wifi as I think they should have made the unit capable of sending HID through wifi so you could make easy changeovers on the new cdj's with the same technology when they are released... but again same parts as the ergo and ddj's. The main reason for the hate is pioneer is slapping any controller dj in the face when they could be setting the standard...
I paid $900 AUD for a T1 8 months ago...........with a road case.Quote:
Originally Posted by synthet1c
You can get them nearly anywhere for about that much now.... $1400 was the launch price, it dropped from that as soon as the S4 did.
The T1 got way more shit then it should've, it's quite a solid controller, it's just too big in my opinion. Great for home use.
There is so much money in cheap controllers at the moment you can hardly blame Pioneer for making something like this. I work for a distributor of electronic products and we supply a lot of products to a very very large Australian electronics retailer... apparently they sell twice as many cheap Hercules type controllers as any other DJ product.
That much I understand, I just think on their part its very VERY good business practice to control the market with very occasional new product releases rather than a new one every 6 months, it gives a product bedding time, time to become standard - If I was a shareholder I'd be a very happy puppy indeed, less money on r&d, less money on tooling up manufacturing plants, more money for advertising/sponsorship and ensuring that Pioneers Brand stays at the top (As I mentioned in a post before, this is something I think Denon is lacking in).Quote:
Originally Posted by synthet1c
Even as controller DJ's go. I know few that use controllers to their full potential but rather just using them as a cheaper option to CDJ's... most DJ's even seasoned ones rarely use insane amounts of effects, spin on four decks at a time and juggle 6 tracks in 30 seconds. I don't see a lack of function in this little box of tricks for your everyday DJ, only for the ones who need 100 hot cues, and every effect accessible at the same time.
I guess I just don't see $300 as an insane outlay for a starter controller, its not thousands of dollars, its sub $100 in the difference to similar spec from other companies and its by THE most well known pro DJ gear manufacturer. $300 is just insanely cheaper than a set of (any!) decks and mixer assuming you already have at least a 3-4 year old reasonably spec'd laptop, you are good to go. IMHO just seems petty to flame them over a release like this when there are others out there doing worse jobs (Hercules Air anyone ?).
I'm sure their endgame is much like Native Instruments, they don't WANT you using anyone else's software, but would get flamed if they didn't allow for it and so compromise (you can do it, but it wont be the same). They would, IMHO, prefer that you use their Rekordbox powered workflow and as a result you get the same features on the Aero and Whatever CDJ/router/new mixer they incorporate the Wi-fi function into - again I think this, while maybe seems "unfair" is a very smart business maneuver to ensure everyone uses their gear, their software, their upgrade path and makes it a pain in the ass to change to something else which would not be the club standard.Quote:
I personally don't like the wifi as I think they should have made the unit capable of sending HID through wifi so you could make easy changeovers on the new cdj's with the same technology when they are released
In fairness that quote could be equally said of Technics, who didn't make any innovations to their monopoly on industry standard DJ units for the best part of 20 years despite others in the industry making leaps and bounds and always playing the underdog (Vestax incorporated tons of improvements e.g. pitch bend, user replaceable faders/cables/target light), while technics greatest improvement was the removal of the center click :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by synthet1c
The fact is that its a business, a bloody lucrative one as well. If they were doing nothing right, no-one would buy their units, and while I dont think I'd be the market for one of these, if this landed in my christmas stocking I don't think I'd be telling the person who put it there "oh noooo you could have got the new Reloop which has 4 more knobs for the same money"
Anyhoo .. I'll let you argue amongst yourselves for a bit :p
Whatever the build quality, it's a toy aimed at people who don't dj but have seen " like, the huge explosion of edm"
I blame the USA :p
:D :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicky H
not sure how his comments qualify him as a fanboy. maybe it's just how you deal with people not sharing your opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by oliosky
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Originally Posted by Nicky H
I think there's a big point a lot of you are missing. Both the WeGo and the ErGO are aimed at the beginner market. They aren't looking at things like sending HID over wifi to make club changeovers easier, or providing the same platter feel as the higher end offerings. Pioneer is seeing the same thing everyone else in the industry is seeing - and that's the insane amount of growth of DJ MIDI controllers at the low end of the spectrum. Pioneer wants a piece of the action.
Not only is this a new revenue stream for the company, but there's something else important going on. In the last couple years, there has been a total elimination of what we'll call an industry standard at the entry level. New DJs don't automatically end up with Technics or Pioneer or Denon. More typically now they end up with something like Numark or Reloop. This is important to note, because it means that for new DJs, Pioneer is no longer an aspirational brand. Getting back into the entry level and putting their name back into the beginner DJ dialog is a smart move. And now Pioneer has an ecosystem that can hand-hold a user from the "my first controller" stage all the way to the "rock the club" stage.
I was waiting for somebody to take a cheap shot at us!Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicky H
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Most sensible post in this thread!Quote:
Originally Posted by nem0nic
Plus however cheap you think this thing is it will still have the best feeling jogwheels of any non pioneer controller on the market! FACT!
Looks like a messed up controller version of a efx1000.
Actually, Looks pretty rubbish if you ask me.
Hey guys,
I know there has some cleanings gone 'round in this thread, but let's keep it civil.
nem0nic has summed it up perfectly in his statement. Let's wait with the bashing until we have had a thorough chance to review it.
I gotta say, controller aside, I'm most surprised at the software choice.
Given their relationship with Mixvibes on Rekordbox and the fact that the database can be read in either software it would have seemed like a more obvious choice to get newbies into the Pioneer eco-system.
I think they're just delaying Serato Intro support to squeeze two press releases out of it. Remember when the Ergo was "made for VirtualDJ?" This thing has Serato Intro written all over it.Quote:
Originally Posted by deevey
This...Quote:
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
This thing is great for a beginner. And I could definitely get jiggy on it.
So does anyone own one of these or tried one? What's the thoughts on using one with Traktor? A compact option whilst travelling...
the traktor one isn't too bad. i've had the T1 for alittle over a year now and it works fine especially for mobile gigs but its VERY limited in what you can do on it.
I Picked one of these up recently. as far as using it with traktor I just started to try it out. ran into a few hiccups. i dont know if its because i switch back n forth from VDJ to Traktor but sometimes when i use it in traktor the FX / hot cue and sample decks dont work properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by sammond
The FX will trigger but i cant tweak them with the jog wheel.
The hot cue and sample buttons play when pressed but if you decided to multi tap them it only registers your first tap until about 30 seconds has passed.
But i've only played with traktor maybe 7 times. this has happened to me 3 times.
Other than that I like Traktor a little more than VDJ. The remix deck function is pretty cool.
Its nice and portable. Took it with me to vegas last week. It fits right in my laptop backpack. plugged it into the audio system in the room and had a little pre-game party before we went out for the night.