Threre kind of dogging Ean on Serato.

**photojojo** · 07-17-2010, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by ryansupak

My sincere belief is that the controllerism thing, for party or club DJing, is a dead end. In the end, people want to hear tracks they know, or they want to hear a very good remix of a track they know.

I agree, and and I also think that crazy bad ass turntable routines are a dead end for party and club DJ'ing for the exact same reason. Just like no one is going to do a four hour set of crazy of nothing but cue point juggling, no one is going to do a crazy four hour set of nothing but spinning around and scratching with their nose. Ean even said he rehearsed that routine for a long time so there's no way someone could do it live, off the cuff for that long.

What people will do is intersperse these things into their sets. Normal transitions and some routines worked into their normal set are what I think is the norm for both the turntable guys and the controller guys.

The main problem is that it's really several different kinds of DJ'ing we're talking about here and lumping them all together makes for an illogical argument that doesn't make any sense.

Thanks for coming over and having a visit with us Ryan. Stick around and I think you'll find we're just like all the other DJ's out there; We like to play music and make people dance.

**jdog667jkt** · 07-17-2010, 08:42 AM

But seriously Ryan, stay on board. It's a really fascinating train that Ean has going here and even though I wouldn't fully consider myself a fully digital DJ (have a set of turntables rusting up back here. really should pull them out again) it's interesting to see what's going on.

**mmauve** · 07-17-2010, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by ryansupak

Hi, I posted in the thread over there. I started doing the controller thing back in 2001-2002. I've written my own software, drivers, crazy templates, effects configurations, done controller mods, chopped up songs into a million triggerable phrases, the whole 9 yards. Before that I was doing the same thing with SP-808s (which is a pain in the ass, BTW). I've looked at all this stuff from every angle I can, and pondered it seriously for years.

My sincere belief is that the controllerism thing, for party or club DJing, is a dead end. In the end, people want to hear tracks they know, or they want to hear a very good remix of a track they know. People typically spend a long time crafting very good remixes (or at least they do it in multiple takes). So, the way I see it, that leaves the controllerist two options: either improvise live and maybe be slightly more interesting than the original track (but likely less interesting), or build your mix into a "routine" and basically follow a script, or a series of scripts.

But, if you're following a script, you have to ask the question, "if I'm basically hitting Play on the routine and letting it go (maybe tweaking a filter or a send over the top of it), then why not just simplify things and record it to one track instead?" At that point, of course, you're right back where DJs were in 1979, only with a hell of a lot more fragile technology to worry about.

I get the novelty of being able to claim that a track is being "remixed live". But, in my sincere opinion, the whole thing is a lot of tail-chasing and you're better off putting that energy into picking the right track to play next, and in paying attention to your crowd. That will pay many, many more dividends IMO.

rs

Are you sure you posted over there?, you're way to articulate and logical lol

**R2D2** · 07-17-2010, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by Fyoog

and eventually when the universe has expanded to it furthest point billions of years from now, the human race long since gone having discovered all there was due to a turntable which ultimately was there downfall, all the matter in the universe will start to contract, worlds will smash into each other, solar systems will collide to form super gas clouds, stars will implode. The edge of the space time as we know it will bring in the edge of know reality down to one singular, 1210 shaped, super dense object which will then last for another eternity, until finally it mass will become slightly unstable and it will morph into a 1200 (lower number of techtrons you see?). The higher being that created everything will walk towards it, bright light surrounding it and it will utter "you know what? that guy on the serato forum WAS right!!"

Sorry its been a long day and I'm a bit drunk, Morgans spiced is goooooooood.

LOL nice one I think its gona be a 2012 12th day of the 10th thing tbh God is a Dj and he wants his Techs back

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCvVatG16NE

The world will end in a Technics 1200 /10 cloud of smoke !!!! lol FFS !!!!! I gota lay of the weed :eek:

WATCH OUT FOR THE 20 12" vinyls that will be the sign

**JesC** · 07-17-2010, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by xtianw

i like serato, but those douchebags make me glad i own traktor.

I like serato too..heck I use Serato 2.0!

Originally Posted by Tekki

If it comes out.

it will and its awesome...Traktor needs to stop f'en around and integrate maschine!

Serato + Ableton = Bridge...Traktor + Maschine = Super Highway!

ctrld · 07-17-2010, 12:54 PM

what is it with this bridge thing anyway? looks to me like it only works with sampled material. so if you have a melody or anything else that's played live via MIDI, you can't "touch" it with timecode because it would involve insane amounts of look-ahead sampling. what exactly are the advantages of bridge compared to syncing a proper ableton liveset with traktor (which is ridiculously easy no matter if you do it manually or via MIDI)? can bridge do anything the latter can't? where exactly is the innovation?

don't misunderstand, I'm not hating - I just don't see what's so uber about it.

**Fyoog** · 07-17-2010, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by R2D2

LOL nice one I think its gona be a 2012 12th day of the 10th thing tbh God is a Dj and he wants his Techs back

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCvVatG16NE

The world will end in a Technics 1200 /10 cloud of smoke !!!! lol FFS !!!!! I gota lay of the weed :eek:

WATCH OUT FOR THE 20 12" vinyls that will be the sign

Cheers mate.

Especially if you are the 7th son of the 7th son of a DJ, you may well end the universe as we know it?!!!

**xtianw** · 07-17-2010, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by Fyoog

Cheers mate.

Especially if you are the 7th son of the 7th son of a DJ, you may well end the universe as we know it?!!!

and it will be announced by the coming of the justified ancients of mu mu

**Zac Kyoti** · 07-17-2010, 11:45 PM

Originally Posted by lethal_pizzle

@Zak... thoughtful and lucid post over on serato.com there mate

...kind of throws the ad hominem arguments of the rest into sharp relief

Thanks mate. I kinda stuck my neck out there just asking to get guillotined, but I have a lot of pride in our work and just feel we've put in our dues - come on, how long do we have to rock to earn respect? It's been long enough, and all the music and mixes and parties and good times should be proving it.

My girlfriend rapped me on the knuckles and said "You know better than to feed the trolls! Stop it!" I broke the rules. Oh well. I know which forum thrives on mutual respect.