Beat Grids On Live Music
Whats the deal with beat grids on live and old disco music that naturally drifts in tempo thoughout the track. Trying to put a beat grid on this type of track is a nightmare. Any help would be most appeciated.
Live tracks are recorded with a live drummer. It is practically impossible for a live drummer to not drift the tempo as heās playing by a number of milliseconds, causing a drift when looking at a beat grid.
The only way to fix this is with Ableton Lives Warp function, or to manually adjust the grid as you place. It is a fact of live musicianship, and is what gives music a human feeling.
fuzzy logic 
Its also possible to set multiple grids on tracks. You often find the intro to a track is pretty spot on and the track drifts after that . In my experience its because drummers get a little excited in the chorus and speed up a bit.
But in all seriousness try setting a grid point for the intro to bring the track into a mix and set another grid point for the outro . It works .
@Kaon, i once mentioned Fuzzy Logic in one of my philosophy lectures (when i was a student) and was told that it was bllcks and it was just a case of having more parameters . I was dissapointed and a little embarrassed !!! Bastard lecturer !
Whatās fuzzy about it? A wonderfully programmed drum machine, in my opinion, will never compare in feeling to a live drummer playing a part. shrug
of course it will never compare. because you can feel a live drummer, and you can feel it because hes using fuzzy logic to drum, and youre using fuzzy logic to listen to his drumming.
the brain can relate to a live drummer because every strike on the drum he makes is to some degree, fuzzy logic. im no expert, these are my assumptions based on what i know. but i find it highly interesting. feed me info
Interesting stuff. Basically using approximate logic instead of just Yes / No logic.
Apparently Japanese Traffic Light systems use fuzzy logic..!
right, getting out of the discussions of 1-2-3 and AIā¦
Devils is right. if you NEED to get the beatgrid exactly on. Use warp in Ableton, itās really the only way youāll get that to work.
I tend to just āride the pitchā on those tracks. Less time consuming and works great!
woah yeah sorryā¦ way off track 
Yeah my suggestion for Multiple Grids is if you want to keep that āliveā feel and dont want to Warp the track.
a human feeling? i do not compute.
ahahaha
Keep in mind, at least at this moment in time, Traktor can only recognize one BPM per track. Meaning: Setting multiple grid markers only restarts the grid from that point. Changing bpm will change bpm of EVERY grid in the track.
Thanks for your input
Being a drummer myself I totally understand the concept of drifts in tempo and that on old electronic records recorded or edited via tape to tape there will always be tape stretch to take into consideration. Coming from 18 years of djing vinyl the transition to digital is tricky in respect of the hands on nudges and drags that I would use to keep an old disco in tempo during the mix. So to get this straight I can edit the track in ableton to move the drums around or set muliple grids in traktor ( how many grids can you set?) or ride the pitch in a similar way to vinyl.
Yeah multiple grids in the same part of a track is pointless but for 4 bar intros and 4 bar Outros it can work.
A Warping ability in Traktor is a little way off yet.
You can load the track in Ableton and use the Warp function to normalize the tempo.
In Traktor you can set multiple beat grids, but that might not help in this situation as all the second beat marker does is restart the grid from that point with the same tempo. With the nature of drift being what it is, I wouldnāt do this.
I would either ride the pitch or warp it in Ableton
Yeah dude i agree. What im describing is just using a grid just for an intro for a few bars . Then set another grid right at the end of the track for 4 bars.
Obviously for a lot of music it just wont work but its worth a try for those guys that need grids to mix.
I also prefer to ride the pitch.
Its only a matter of time until Traktor has the same warping ability as Ableton.
Now that is a tasty prospect.
Now if only Traktor had a decent enough sync with Ableton to make it possible to use the master tempo on a track with changing tempos. Which would change abletons tempo in time with the music.
I dont think we will be seeing that any time soon - i suspect we wont see anything until HD midi is supported by both programs. 
Oh that wasnāt directed at you, Karlos. It was just a follow-up to Slackmanās question.
You obviously know something 
Iāve been wondering if Traktor would ever implement a Warp functionā¦ Iād see it happening at about the same time they implement a VST function. Just donāt think itās something that really works in Traktorās workflow, unless NI wants to start developing their own complete DAW solution to compete with Ableton. Now that would be something.
Oh NO i feel a terrible rumour about to begin hahaha
No i dont know anything really , it was suggested in one of the On The Record Sessions that an Traktor will have āvariable gridsā implemented in a version after v1.1
We live in hope