High Sierra 10.13 support: http://denondj.com/kb/article/2360
Welll that was disappointing, got your post trough mail and thought this thing somehow got support again haha
Haha sorry man 
At least now you know support is broken for good? 
What’s worse, even more legacy products are now obsolete - you might say all of the good ones.
Sad. I think the DN-X1700 is way better than the 1800, which I assume they’re pushing users to upgrade to. Those were great mixers, it’s sad to see them go. I imagine part of the problem is on the Apple side - they’ve been changing their system level audio stuff slowly over years and compatibility with existing devices seems like an afterthought.
I assume there isn’t the discrete custom stuff going on in the X1800 and clearly it doesn’t have the options settings of the X1700, but the PPD9000 achieved some amazing stuff with IC-based analog input and outputs. Ditto with the original MP2015. The 1700 did appear to have a super high end interpolative upsampling on it in 96khz mode. Not to mention twin power supplies. Have you used the X1800 yet? I kind of want to get my hands on them. Love to try their new gear and find the glitches and issues with it to help them out. I want competition to succeed. Almost got an SC5000 today but don’t want to bother with stuff where I can’t turn off the moving waveform and BPM counter yet.
I haven’t played with an 1800 no, and I’m not that interested. I don’t like the idea of normalizing a 5 year shelf life for a $2000 mixer (or any audio electronics). And if I’m honest DenonDJ jumped ship on the X1700 long before that – the reason I dumped mine years ago was because they shut down all feature requests like a year after it was out and said they weren’t planning to update the firmware. It’s sad to see such capable machines not living up to their potential because they’ve been abandoned.
This is a pet peeve though; I think a programmable unit should continue to be improved upon if it has the capacity to be, especially if that capacity is one of the selling points of the product (which it was for all those mixers when they came out - DB4, Ecler Evo5, and the Denons). They can certainly find a way to charge for new features in firmware updates. At a minimum they should resolve issues for operating system updates, especially minor ones as most of the OSX ones have been.
THIS!!! That’s exactly the reason I don’t “upgrade” to the SC5000’s. Denon seems to have a history of abandoning their higher end products and while their hardware is rock solid they leave much to be desired with their mappings and follow through with entire capabilities of their products. I’ve owned the DN-2600F, 2x SC2000’s, 2x sc2900’s & the X1700 mixer. I WAS a bit of a Denon fanboy but have come to find that their support of their products after ownership is pretty sub-par.
I’m trying to think what history Numark has concerning firmware updates, considering that’s really what Denon DJ is now…
Actually not sure. I know they added ASIO support many years later to some gear that originally didn’t have it and will help you update it using third-party software for products that are discontinued. I know there were some firmware problems with their early scratch tabletop CD players, but they kept with it and ironed those out. They even had some later units with open source firmware.
Most of their issues seemed to be hardware and mostly related to bad soldering, electrical isolation, or poor quality discrete components, like diodes and capacitors. I did hear that the HDX or one of those units never really completely worked right and people complained about the firmware development being halted once it was discontinued. Heck, I’m still waiting for my Pioneer CDJ900s to have their jog bend dead zone removed, but that’s more a “feature” removal or need to make it optional than a glitch.
100% on point.
And from what I see, X1800 is a simplified/reworked version of X1700’s DSP with added color FX’s and a LAN hub and some features removed: headphone eq, no user setting export/import via USB, mixer cannot recieve MIDI in via USB). Of course, to keep profit margin up they removed all of the good/premium things that were on the X1700: matrix input audio path, dual power supply, Alps-K type line faders, discreet phono amps and headphone amp,…and god knows what else.
Also some strange decisions regarding knobs:
- smaller EQ knobs than on previous mixers, no more light rings around important ones (EQ, master volume,…)
- replacement of dedicated filter resonance knob for a pan/balance knob between prototype and production model (you can almost bet it was somebody’s bright idea because NXS2 has one on the same place - doesn’t matter that now master volume knob is smaller than booth volume, fuck logic)
What’s worse, the mixer’s firmware seems to be unstable - unit can overheat and can “freeze” as a result requiring restart mid set - never seen that reported on the previous generation of Denon mixers.
Or it’s just a revamped X7 and bares no internal similarity to the X1700 at all. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s got more Rane-inspired stuff in it than old Denon. Regardless of whether it’s pedigree is more PPD9000, X1700, or MP2015, it’s going to sound better than a Pioneer.
The X1700 matrix inputs I don’t find particularly useful considering it’s a four channel mixer and the digital inputs are not matrixed, anyway. I don’t think I’d ever use a MIDI input on a mixer, but I certainly wish the the X1700’s other features were still on the X1800. The firmware might get some of them added.
You have an X1800 or seen it do this overheat and freeze thing? That doesn’t sound like a firmware problem to me.
My observation is based on the features of both models, user adjustable options they both have and the simple fact that they are produced by the same company. I don’t think anyone else would share your opinion about this being a revamped numark X7.
No, not 5-pin MIDI input - recieve midi bpm through usb. That way, you can use DJ software, have mixers FX’s synced to the track bpm (currently possible with previous Denon mixers) and add & sync external hardware through the existing 5-pin MIDI out port on the mixer.
X1800 lacks midi in option because they designed it for SeratoDJ - that doesn’t have the option to send track bpm via midi through usb. It’s currently unknown will this mixer’s FX’s be synced to SDJ’s bpm through some native communication protocol (SDJ sending Engine Link data?), we’ll have to wait for SDJ certification in SDJ 2.0 version (currently in beta).
At least two users reported. Audio still plays, no control responds. A big no no in my book.
The unit looks very similar to the X7, has many of the same functions, and I assume is produced by InMusic/Numark at their Taiwan factory, not by Denon of Japan, as the X1700 was. Alesis, Akai, M-Audio, Denon, and Rane are all InMusic/Numark now.
Well, MIDI over USB means potentially that’s something they could add in the firmware later, right?
Do you have links to these problems, either on forums or posted videos? You’d be surprised how often this stuff actually doesn’t get seen by the support and product managers. I could try to pass it along.
No it doesn’t.
Same as any 4ch club mixer.
By that logic Rane 72 is actually a revamped Numark X5.
Didn’t we just had a discussion a page ago about the lack of updates for Denon hardware?
I highly doubt owners of $1800 mixer won’t report issues. One of those had the unit for review (which still isn’t online). Unfortunately, I still hadn’t had the chance to do a full set on this model. What I did see didn’t thrill me considering I have previous experience with X1700/1600. But Pioneer user will love it. That was the whole point, right?
I don’t see much similarity in functionality or look between the X5 and the Rane 72.
LMAO…Spot on!!
And not only because I own one but just looking at both mixers side by side you know it… yet if you read the specs.
Does someone knows if 1700 works currently with Traktor Scratch control vinyl MK2?
Type of interface has no impact on timecode compatibility, only Traktor version (and even that is irrelevant after Traktor 2.7 version). Fancy way of saying: yes.
Regarding this ^^, today I learned that Denon DID NOT test all legacy gear with High Sierra. So basically that whole article means nothing for X1600 and X1700 owners and we should test ourselves.
Many thanks for clarifying.
I can confirm that the X1700 audio ins and outs are not recognized by high sierra OS.
Many thanks for the info 
I doubt the result will be different with the other legacy mixer models.
I was informed that MC3000 works with High Sierra despite not being on the list, hope we can confirm the MC6000mk1 and SC3900 also.