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I would like to know that answer to this question as well. although I can answer part of it, you can figure it out in your head, but within traktor, when you raise a song which is in X key, and you raise the pitch slider a certain percentage, traktor will not show the change in key, that you have to figure out on your own, how you figure it out, I have not idea/forgot
Well the first clue is that it depends on the track’s BPM. +/- 3% pitch on a 120 BPM track won’t be the same as a 140 BPM track. Though the scale should be linear and somewhat easy to chart on a graph. Nonetheless doesn’t keylock do this for you?
well, make a copy of the original song, put it in Traktor, turn off key lock and bump the pitch up 3%, record the track in Traktor, and analyze both the original file and the Traktor version in Mixed In Key - see what it says.
I use keylock set to HiQ inpreferences.
That’s not what Keylock does.
All it does ..is make the track’s pitch stay the same regardless of the temp.
So it removes the Mickey Mouse effect when you seriously up the tempo.
It does not keep all the tracks you playing in the same key…IE…make 2 tracks be on the same key.
You still have to choose trax that are say both 7A…then use keylock…then it does not matter how much you change the tempo to get them beatmatched…as they will be keylocked at 7A. Their pitch won’t change…so you won’t have to do this calculation.
Well…thats how i understand it anyways!
I would still like to know whether a 7A track will still be 7A after its been upped in tempo?
If you use keylock it should. I don’t use any sort of keylock as I still only mix with CD’s and vinyl and find that there is too much aliasing when using it. In order to harmonically mix without keylock you either need to mix 2 tracks that are fairly close to the same speed & are in key with each other either directly or harmonically speaking. As long as they’re about the same BPM then it shouldn’t matter whether you’re playing them faster or slower then “nominal”, they should be in key/harmony with each other. Although if you have a track that’s say in the key of C and mix in one that’s in the key of G, in this scenario and they’re both sped up or slowed down, they no longer will be “true” C or G. Make sense or did I just really confuse?
Yeah…that’s what I mean:
Although if you have a track that’s say in the key of C and mix in one that’s in the key of G, in this scenario and they’re both sped up or slowed down, they no longer will be “true” C or G.
So whats the answer?
To use Keylock on your Keycoded trax so they stay in key when you DJing em?
I mean…you will have to change their tempo at some point when DJing…either up or down.
So we still need to know what the correct procedure is here.
I personally have just been selecting trax that fit harmonically and then i disregard the BPM change…
I think I am doing something wrong…
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If you’re using Key lock, then just select tracks that are in key with each other and mix away. If you’re not then pick tracks that are in key with each other AND are very close in tempo. I personally don’t have a reference to the key of any of my tracks and just mix by ear but that will change when I go all digital. I don’t think you’re doing anything wrong BUT I know that with most systems the further you get from a tracks true speed the more aliasing & flanging a key locked track gets. Take that with a grain of salt.
Yeah…forreal…that is how I understand it…I just don’t use keylock.
I suppose what i need to know is how far one can move off BPM before the key is changed.
So I can know how much to work with.
It’s really hard to mix a long time completely harmonically without using key lock, you have to have a good ear and REALLY know your music. Many DJ’s will use “drum breakdown” tracks to break up chunks of harmonic mixing, I know drums are tuned also but you don’t notice that nearly as much as bass lines or synth chords.
I recall reading in the MIK notes that you shouldn’t shift the pitch more than 2 or 3% if you want to keep the maintain the key; on the other hand, a pitch shift of 6% will add (if pitched up) or subtract (if pitched down) 7 from your Camelot number.
thanks for that tron, i knew i had read about the relationship between pitch percentage and key, i just forgot where.
In reference to the original post, as long as you use keylock in traktor or whatever you use, you can increase the tempo as much as you want, and it should remain in key. With that in mind though, don’t go increasing your tempo by like 25%, keylock does have its limits. The article was pretty straight forward so I think imma shut up now
There we go!
Perfect!
So if you pitching up a whack…add 7!
Pitch Adjustments
Without Master Tempo, the basic rule is to keep the BPM differences between two tracks as small as possible. Differences of 1-2% may be objectionable to “golden ears.” A track being out of key may sound like a band instrument being out of tune.
For major BPM differences, info in the “Region Shifting” section here may help: Camelot Sound]
Awesome!
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Sorry for the mistake. Please try this: Camelot Sound
Yeah, I generally don’t long mix into a tempo change +/- 2% w/o key lock regardless of BPM. I do however pitch up the tempo of a track during a break and if the difference between the incoming track is still too great, use the key lock on the incoming until I can push it’s tempo to 0%.
Key lock in T-Pro is a funny thing and i’ve noticed that <.5% doesn’t artifact as much as greater values and 1.5%+ bass gets muffled and mids begin to sound warbled. Meh, hope i’m making some sort of sense. There is no one-size-fits-all method and at the end of the day let your ears be the judge.
yep…trust the ears!
I had years of music training at school…learning theory etc.
Never thought it would REALLY help me in DJing and production…but its has!