Help me with my DVS rig!!!

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Help me with my DVS rig please!!! (denon mc6000)

Hey guys,

so i finally picked up a second Numark TT200 to complete a pair with the one i already had. Now i’m trying to have a hybrid rig with my denon mc6000 as the mixer and midi controller (for cues and samples and such) and the two turntables controlling my two decks.

Just for you visual folks, here’s what it looks like:

Now, the two turntable are going into a Audio 4 DJ and back out into my 2 line channels on the mixer. I’m able to have full dvs control but i don’t get any midi control (the mixer works, but the mixer is not midi. it is a real mixer).

So basically my question is, how do i set up 2 TTs, a Denon MC6000 (has built in soundcard) and a Audio 4 DJ so i can have vinyl control AND midi control?

EDIT: actually, i do have vinyl control, but i cant get any sound except from the two main decks being controlled by the turntables. No sample deck sound!

thanks!

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you’ll need to find some way to aggregate the 2 soundcards (MC 6000 and Audio 4) so that you have a total of at least 4 outputs (you’ll have 6 with the MC6000’s outputs I guess). I think something like Virtual audio cable can do this for you in windows.

actually:

ASIO4ALL seems to work for this. Cheers.

Oh: And you can’t set your MC6000 to mixer mode since I think at that point it won’t send midi. I don’t know how the MC6000 works since I have never used it, but set it to midi USB mode and just let traktor handle the mixing. Don’t plug your audio 4 outputs into the MC6000. The Audio 4 is just for timecode input and then let traktor mix internally as before. Use the MC6000 outputs as your cue and master output.

The Audio 4 outputs were designed so that you could mix externally but with the MC6000 you probably can’t do both midi and mix externally.

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bit confused on this… your mixer must have some form of usb out? have you got that pluged into your laptop?

have you got the mapping loaded into traktor?

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Ok, after having played with the problem for a bit, here’s the situation:

I can get sound from all 4 decks, but i cant get my monitor cue to work properly because it is a function from the mc6000’s soundcard and in traktor, the audio 4 is the default sound card (audio 4 must be selected in traktor or else it will not recognize timecode!!!) i think the only problem im having now is with the headphone cue… how do i get around this?!? i tried asio 4 all but thats when i realized that audio 4dj must be selected in order to use timecode…

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way too complicated

have you tried KISS method? ie Keep It Simple. Stupid!

well to do that, you plug your TTs into Audio 4, use Audio 4 as only soundcard and mix internaly with your midicontroler and ditch external mix. This way you have 2 main decks controlled by TTs and you can have addition 2 virtual decks mapped on your midi controller.

think about moving this rig around and plugginh into the club.

didn’t mean to rant or anything, just pointing out that most of my dillemmas and problems were solved with the above concept and i can’t get more happy about it.

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Ok so just do this:

Set traktor to internal mix mode, choose 1 channel on the Audio 4 as your master output, choose the cue output on the audio 4 for your cue. DON’T plug your audio 4 output into the MC6000, just run it straight to the speakers. Put your MC6000 in midi mode and use it as a midi controller.

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This and this

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dang..
buy an audio 8?

Is their any way you can use the audio 4 to send the TTs in.. and Traktors master out + a cue out?
If so.. then their is your answer.. if not then you’re probably gonna want to get an audio 8.

I always thought the MC6000 was traktor certified..
my whole world has turned up-side-down.
I guess the S4 would be screwed if it was.. and I’m sure Denon has tried to get it certified.. smart play by NI.

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You can only connect one soundcard at a time. Making an aggregate device won’t work either because then you lose the DVS functionality.

I doubt Denon has tried to get it certified. They would have to pay the licensing fee for scratch functionality which would in turn drive the cost of the controller up beyond what people would pay for it.

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Yes, there is. Just select output channel A as the master and Output channel B as the cue since channel B has a 1/4 inch output on the front.

[quote]
I always thought the MC6000 was traktor certified..
my whole world has turned up-side-down.
I guess the S4 would be screwed if it was.. and I’m sure Denon has tried to get it certified.. smart play by NI.[/quote]

That’s probably the reason why. NI probably didn’t want to cannibalize sales of the S4 by giving another (and less expensive) controller scratch certification. The xone 4d has scratch certification but that’s at a completely different price point (like 2600 USD) than the S4.

I doubt it only because the dn-x1600 and 1700 both recieved scratch certification with no change in price and the x1600 doesn’t cost anymore than the S4. In fact, after all is said and done, I wish I had gone with the x1600 in the first place given my current set up.

The fees are built into end user costs when they have to purchase the certified mixer scratch upgrade which is 349 bucks.

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Awesome.. I wasn’t sure if you could do that with an a4dj.. so that’ll solve the problem right there!

Its quite an interesting topic.. I would have to believe that Denon’s intentions were to get the controller certified.
I’m pretty sure it took them awhile to get the x1700 traktor certified.

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Problem solved! thanks alot! im still trying to figure out why i didnt think of this… in my head the audio 4 HAD to come back to the mixer. now i lose the ability to use the mic inputs and the aux input (for a backup sound source) but its all good! im only going to be using this at home… when i hit the clubs i only bring my mc6k and thr lappy.

thanks again everyone! DJTT never fails at resolving geeky issues like this!

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well you could always unplug a deck and use that as an aux input via audio through…

you could still see if the venue has 2 inputs you could use.. you could still use the mc6000s mics and inputs correct? you would just need another input for the master out!

OR send the master out of traktor (a4dj) into the MC6000 and then use the MC6000s master as the main master.. you would just have to be careful running midi and audio on the same channel BUT you shouldn’t have to touch the master out after traktor so you should be good!

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you don’t lose the mic inputs you just loose the ability to record from a microphone and use the ducking features. Like amidoinitrite said - you could simply send the master out from the A4DJ to a channel (like channel 4). You lose midi functionality on that channel but you get audio ducking back with a mic.

Honestly for what you want to do I would suggest looking at the x1600 and saving up for one. Amidoinitrite can tell you all about it and I am getting mine tomorrow so I can let you know to, but from the specs and reviews it sounds like an amazing mixer and will give you full DVS capability plus mic inputs AND an fx processor so you can run standalone without the need for traktor if your computer ever goes down. You should be able to sell your A4DJ and MC6000 for at least 4-500 if not a bit more and the x1600 is about 920 new. It might just what you are looking for.

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And mine is on its way to me. The cheapest I found one on the net was $840. pssl will price match if you fill out their form. :smiley:

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yeah, I bought that one I think, lol. I shoulda gone through PSSL I guess instead of buying the used one from amazon.

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Potential new mixer/Xmas gift conundrum

Hey everyone-

Wow there’s alot of conflicting info out there on the mc6000, depending where u look!! I’m currently in a similar position as the OP, where I’m down to 2 choices of mixers/controllers from Denon (x1600 vs mc6000) and can’t seem to find the right info to make a proper decision…

Preface: currently own and love my pair of numark ttx’s cuz theyre built like tanks and I got a great deal on them. IMHO best DJ turntable on the market for the $$ vs. features/quality. (with ortofons carts etc). I do mostly mobile/live gigs like parties/bars/musical performances, but I’m a scratch nerd at heart ( which is the reason I got into all of this in the 1st place) so i need a mixer that offers the option to shred some pure vinyl.

X1600: is my gut choice since its got tsp certification, quality xfader/upfaders, cuts the need for an external soundcard, 4ch plus midi, 12" wide and fits in my existing cases, and overall just a ton of quality mixer for the money. If I could I would have one already- end of story. But…

MC6000: appears its suited to control tsp2 directly from the mixer with minimal mapping/controlling keyboard&mouse. I love the visual interface/feedback and that it has a button for just about everything. My plan was to use the standard dvs on deck a&b with external midi hybrid, and use c&d for internal virtual/sample control. Dvs control is only needed on a&b, so it appears this mixer is a no brainer… If I understand correctly this is possible with a NI soundcard like my audio 4 ( purchased the tsp2 upgrade after owning duo for a while). Originally I had the idea with my original reloop djie2, to later discover its only possible using the Master Editions.

Sorry for dragging on, my question is: can I setup the mc6000 with my ttx’s, audio 4, and tsp2 to work smoothly with dvs/midi for decks a&b, reg vinyl, and either int/ext midi control for(sample) decks c&d? Seems straight forward enough if the mixer operates in hybrid mode, tho I dont wanna get my hopes up
For the mc6000 cuz it has the interface I want, only to find out the 1600 would’ve done what I needed with some midi mapping magic. ps: the jog wheels look like they’d come in really handy for searching/cuing/effects/scratching tracks on decks c/d.

Please forgive me for resurrecting or jacking this post, but surely I can’t be alone in my confusion.

Thanks to all my fellow musical meistros!!