I Want to Switch to MAC…Please Help
I have been a PC guy for my entire life. I can no longer take drop-outs, loading, incompatible drivers, you name it. I want to play music with all my gear and using my Komplete Audio 6. I have at least 8 USB items to plug in. (yes i use a powered USB hub)
Just please tell me, which Mac should I buy? Will it be easy to convert over? Will it last me for 4 years?
I’ve done research but I don’t know MAC speak…Help me DJTT Kenobe, you’re my only hope.
You looking for new or used? Budget?
I am open to whatever…What does a high end Mac give me that a low end Mac doesn’t? If it is processing power and RAM (once again lack of MAC knowledge but I imagine that’s what it all boils down to) can those be added down the road?
So, I guess:
what is the absolute standard (MAC) that should be used for DJing with entry level music production capabilites?
What does a high end MAC give me that a low end doesn’t?
Will I be able to convert all of my NI programs over to MAC (i think this is possible based on info from NI website)?
As far as budget is concerned, I can save up for anything…I believe in having the proper tools to complete a task. Illustration: I can drive a nail with a screwdriver, but I’d much rather use a hammer.
Thank you in advance!
In order to do this you will have to repurchase/install all your software as it will not be cross platform compatible. If you have purchased from say NI, then you will probably be able to do this by contacting them or through the service centre or something i would have guessed.
It will be a learning curve at first because the operating systems work differently but once you get into it its MAC OSX over windows all day every day IMHO.
Take the plunge if you have the funds. Google is your friend and im sure you will find help on here for more specific issues if they do arise.
I use a macbook pro 15" i7 with 8Gb RAM and an SSD. It runs like a dream and I have alsorts on it. You wont be dissapointed performance-wise.
get a macbook pro with at least 8gb ram and you are fine for the next years.
Well I guess that solves that! MacBook Pro it is. Thank you for the help!
A Mac is just a PC with a different OS.
There is nothing whatsoever inherently superior about a mac, even though CoreAudio is excellent. They make a great PC, but there is nothing wrong with Windows as an audio platform.
Millions of people like me run audio PCs with no crashes, low latency and no dropouts.
Mac users have audio problems too. Youre going to have a bad time if you think buying a mac will be the last time you have to troubleshoot a computer issue. The last generation of Macbooks were plagued with USB power issues.
So buy a Mac if you want, but your assumption that PCs mean dropouts and problems is simply wrong.
This is good feedback. Let me describe what’s happening and maybe you can guide me to the proper solution. Because everything I have researched has suggested that PC is the problem and there are less issues with a MAC, in regards to audio.
Gear I am using:
PC - i5 2.50 Ghz, 16 GB RAM, Windows 7
Traktor Pro 2
Komplete Audio 6
Kontrol Z1
Kontrol x1 mk2
Maschine mk2
Kontrol S2 mk1
Plugable Powered USB Hub
All cords are from DJTT
Hitachi External Drive - All music is on the drive
(issue happens either on home monitors or powered Mackies so I don’t think they are the issue…unless there is a problem with the KA6, which I find unlikely)
I close all background processes before sets and during practice. 1 out of 6 times when I start up Traktor it will redline even without tracks queued. Once I do load a track you hear popping through whichever output I’m currently using (powered speakers, monitors, headphones, etc) I have adjusted settings and downloaded/re-installed drivers. I have optimized settings according to power usage. I have updated firmware on the PC and all NI components.
I really don’t know what else to do…but I figure there has to be a reason the majority of people I see DJing (IRL, on youtube, in videos), producing tracks, in the courses I’ve taken from Dubspot are using a MAC. I have been the staunchest of supporters for PC. That’s not really what I’m about though…I want gear that works and is reliable. Minimize risks at all costs. I’ve had to reset during gigs twice this year (not a big deal…comes with the territory) If i were playing a guitar I’d bring extra picks for when they break, If I were djing vinyl I’d have extra needles…stuff happens and I’m prepared for that. But I don’t want to show up with product that has a high potential to fail me.
Maybe I have a bad PC, totally possible. But If I’m already in the market to buy something else (and windows 8 does not impress me) what are my options?
Im not trying to convince you not to buy a Mac. I think they are great machines myself.
But all computers fail and all have problems.
What brand and model PC do you have, or is it a home build?
Look at the real time latency checker in the Kontrol Audio diagnostic panel. Are you getting red spikes?
No doubt! I appreciate real conversation. Nothing gets me more fired up than computer issues…ya know?
Dell Latitude E6420
Yes, when Traktor is redlining the KA6 is also spiking and saying this PC is not optimized for streaming audio or some such. I’ll have to screen shot it. (Of course it wants to work currently)
Ok, this one should be easy, if a fair bit of work.
Ive got a similar model, but with an i7. It looks like yours is an i5, which should be fine. Ive got an E6510, and I run it at about 6ms with zero pops/clicks or dropouts.
How comfortable are you with PC work? If you arent, you might want to get your friend, the one who is good with computers to come over and do it for you while you feed him pizza and beer.
Are you using the Dell factory image or a clean OEM install? If you are using the factory image, youll need to:
The reason for this is that factory installs are made for the average home user that wants all the multimedia bells and whistles and services available at all times.
This bloatware leads to terrible real time audio performance and interrupts. This is where CoreAudio is a bit better than the Windows implementation.
I can also see how you might not want to be bothered with all the above, and just get a new Mac. 
I thought Id just lay out the options for you.
Thanks for laying out the instructions. I sure this can help many people.
I think I’ll just use my PC for work and do the conversion. I’m not that technical and there are too many touch points that can lead to my face melting.
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You’ll want as much ram as you feel like paying for, but at least 8gb. It’s been a long time since I’ve had less than 16 in a laptop, and I’ve never regretted it. You can get a good aftermarket 16gb kit for at most $200. You can also get aftermarket SSDs up to at least 480gb for $300-400 depending on speed. Somebody might make a 512gb that works with them now, I just don’t know exactly which drive thickness they use. I’ve always done aftermarket upgrades and never had a problem.
The drives that come in apple laptops wind up being given away at this point, at least for me.
You do not want an Air unless you know you do. They’re more fragile and harder to upgrade (ram is soldered to the board).
Also, keep in mind budget for backup drives.
Not much.
i7s don’t increase performance in ways that matter to you, at least not enough to offset the cost. Larger screens give larger screens but cost more and are harder to transport.
iMacs are cool, but I think they’re hard to upgrade now to.
Mac Pros are a total fucking joke that no one takes seriously unless they absolutely have to. You can’t even really add storage without buying external chasses…same with PCI cards for things like Pro Tools HD, though a lot of that works is slowly moving toward thunderbolt.
You get a lot more both for your money and objectively with a hackintosh build if you’re willing and capable of supporting it yourself. I’ve also had zero problems with mine, but it’s not worth doing on a laptop.
Yes. You own a license to the software. Go to the re-download page and it has links for Mac and Windows.
If I were buying a Mac today for music and expecting it to work for several years and owned nothing, I’d buy a 13" macbook pro, 16gb of ram from OWC, the biggest 6G Intel SSD I could jam in it (OWC Mercury if no Intel drive fits), a synology DS414j, and 4x 4TB WD Red drives, set up in a RAID-6 for backup (~8TB usable).
But I don’t do things halfway. It wouldn’t be hard to scale that down to something more manageable.
The switch will take some getting used to, but as far as I’m concerned windows has nothing to bring to the table anymore.
FWIW, my 2011 MBP is still going strong, but I only use it for music at this point (which means it sat off for about the last year). I use my other computers (I run a homelab because I’m a computer dork) for everything else. Most casual use is on a phone or tablet.
Be aware that if you go with a PC, if you are running 32bit operating system it can only utilise a maximum of 3gb ram. If you are wanting to upgrade (and use) you ram you need a 64bit system.
Also like mostapha said above, i7 devices are mainly used in the world of intense video/photo editing and are useful for music creation using Ableton or logic (or any other daw but they are my preference) so an i5 would do you. You might even be ok with an i3 with plenty of ram although I haven’t tested this.
Are you an apple lover or hater? This ultimately will determine what you buy haha
Get a minimum of i5 CPU, and a pre-retina model. The onese from 2011-2012. You can upgrade those with more ram, swap hard disks and some other cool stuff. Retina models have parts soldered which make a pain to remove / change if needed.
Other than that, it’s up to you if you want a 13" or 15" model.
Can you still buy computers with 32-bit operating systems?
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PC’s are great so are Apples…but I have seen my share of Apples blowing up on stage ad with Pc’s…ADK takes all the guesswork out of PC’s and are built by musicians for musicians.
Cheers!!
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