Why is it that a grimey street bully like 50 cents that, has sold millions of units, understands the importance of making music for the ladies at the club. But when it comes to dance music, much, not all, but recently a lot of the underground is just dirty beats? Nothing wrong with getting down but why the fear by the sweaty basement thieves to make a couple danceable joints for the honeys? Music is music right? Why this constant need for dirty beats?
What’s with this obsession with the after hours sound at pool side or on a boat at 12 pm in the afternoon?
No like dirty dark techno/tech house. Nothing wrong with it but I find that there is this obsession with it and it seems to be replacing the sunny fun environments. For me, there is a time and place for everything but I just find that I can’t go to an club venue these days without it being straight up either TOP 40, EDM electro, or dirty underground techno. I was in NY and last weekend and its the same thing in Miami. All the vocal club danceable stuff is gone.
Listen, Im not hating on the music but this is not exactly the music I want to hear at a pool side event when Im trying to get down with some chickies. But every pool party I have been to so far this past month has been stuff like this. And its also the same stuff I am hearing at night during peak hours. Whatever happened to opening vs peak hour vs after hours sets?
A lot of people want to listen to tech house in the sun. Heck, there are summer-long outdoors music festivals in both Montreal and Toronto (Piknic Electronic and Electric Island, respectively) that play mostly tech house. They’re very popular and have a great vibe.
Well for starters using Hawtin and Nina as an example isn’t the best idea, considering hawtin is known for Techno, and Kraviz for her love of techno/acid stuff. So yeah that’s what there going to play?
Same for anyone that plays a similar sound playing in the day.
The move towards grittier harder edge of House/Techno, well NYC have been at the forefront of that for a while since LIES turned up on the scene, ran by ron morelli, as well as new starters like The Bunker, Mutual Dreaming, Proibito, Mister Saturday Night ETC, these are obviously underground labels to a point, LIES the being the biggest of them.
There’s been a move back to using analogue gear, experimentation, and not everything sounding crispy clear.
I can only talk from my experience, which is vinyl, and the music I like/play, being house and techno.
There is obviously always a time and place, but if your known for something and get booked to play in the day, are you going to change your style? No.
My god… I just showed this to my wife (who goes clubbing a lot)… she hasn’t a clue what you mean.
We don’t all go to clubs that are full of macho twats. Your field of experience seems to be very narrow.
She also said that the thread title was “patronising and sexist” - I’ll tell you what she said, I didn’t say this. It is a womans perspective so take it as that - “what makes him think women can’t handle the music, what, do we need it watering down so us weak little women can handle it, is he 12 years old, has he ever met a woman” - her words dude, not mine.
No it’s not. You are going to the wrong clubs. Again I say your field of experience seems very narrow. The clubs I go to are 50/50 men/women. The music is not gender specific.
Most of the clubs we go to are sweaty basements. Women love it. I saw Carl Craig in a basement that was literally a basement, a huge system and nothing else not even any lights/smoke. It was a shit-hole. The “honeys” love it.
My wife said “anyone using that term in a thread about the supposed inherent sexism in music is probably a sexist themselves but they just don’t realise it”. I mean c’mon dude, you can’t call women “honeys” and then expect to be taken seriously when you are addressing what you consider to be sexism.
You need to go clubbing with me and my missus. Totty everywhere hahaha.
I think I catch a little of the vibe, but as noted, you are using the wrong examples. Hawten IS minimal techno and NYC has always been a little darker and dirtier on the beats. And, living there my whole life and clubbing (although not actively in the past 10 years) can tell you the ladies usually are the ones leading the floor in those places .
The happier poppier stuff is still around in droves (how many Guetta or Avicci tracks get played to death?) and usually shows up at smaller venues or clubs that are not Pascha or hard core clubs. I have to play that stuff in the smaller venues I do (don’t like to, but have to please the majority) because the crowds generally do not adapt to harder stuff all night long. One of the most annoying requests I get (outside of the Spice Girls or Brittany Spears) is “can you play something with words”.
Although, I can tell you it is usually a group of woman that start going nuts when I turn up the harder stuff…so, it always tends to happen eventually
Yeah, I’m going to have to disagree with that. L.I.E.S. are latecomers to the scene, and are more of a lo-fi techno/house/experimental label than anything that could be described as harder edged.
If you want to credit NYC, then credit Adam X and Frankie Bones for pushing that hard edged sound. Elsewhere you had Downwards and Sandwell District. And Surgeon. Biggest influence right now is Berghain sound, labels such as Ostgut Ton, Token, Stroboscopic Artefacts, etc. All of those are pushing a way harder edged sound and have been doing it for far longer. The majority of what L.I.E.S puts out sounds like unfinished demo tracks, or it’s just shoegazing noise like Torn Hawk. The gems like the new Voiski or Steve Moore’s releases are few and far inbetween, and those aren’t really gritty at all; they’re retro.
Don’t get me wrong, I’ve got nothing against L.I.E.S., but I really wish they would get some quality control (and that goes for all of the lo-fi labels pumping out endless amounts of releases right now.)
You use 50 cent as a shining example of a man who seems to understand women and crafts music for them.
I think you need to have a long hard think about what you’ve just posted my friend. Music is Music and as the saying goes ‘It’s Universal’
Maybe you should of entitled the thread ‘‘Why play techno at pool parties?’’ which is pretty irrelevant anyway if the kind of music you like is Richie hawtin and you like swimming.
i havent gone through the replies just yet but i think ur are missing something that you may have not noticed.
Watch how the crowd goes in a club between boys and girls
when the beats are HARD and instrumental, its all about guys
but the minute you put a vocal on ANYTHING (not a vocal sample) i mean a full vocal track
the ladies flood the floor
there is something physiological here that even i have read studies on in the way a male/female brain
reacts to not only music but words as well
think about it. The adage is that WOMAN USE MORE WORDS THEN MEN in a day right?
why? because they pay attention to the words. They are emotional (the words are) and so are women.
But when it comes to physical communication, its all about men.
We look and read body language MUCH faster and accurately then woman do every time.
When men communicate to each other we mostly grunt of give gestures and half words.
woman want the whole dam library spoken out…
see the correlation?
Its not that the music for WOMAN doesnt exist, its there but the NEWER stuff is more man friendly / appealing.
Most men want to hear the NEW beats anyway while a song for a woman can go back decades
I think his original statement had to do with “any time is a good time for peak time” kind of crowds. It’s the same way FM radio is programmed now. It’s all based on “time spent listening”. Who spends four hours in a club to see your favorite DJ that only comes in the area once or twice a year? (me…that’s who). Crowds and DJs have taken the Vegas attitude towards things. “You’ll only going to be here a short period of time so we need to make your experience by playing some banging tunes…no matter the hour of the day”…
Not many people like foreplay. I had a friend that years ago used to skip 15 minutes into a mix because “no one wants that intro shit”.
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