is the Ipad the new BIG dj tool?
Guys i came across an app for the ipad called TouchOSC and got to say it works Great! Thinking of taking it with me beside the vci and that after only mixed with it once!!
Check the link for the recorded set made with ipad and traktor (also video)
no.
no.
End of discussion… You got no physical feedback, thats why touchscreen sucks for anything else than FX control or melody making!
Fad. Nice, funky and fun but not the best solution to DJing.
The iPad is a cool device that is being forced into a roll that it isnt made for.
Its a massive compromise of functionality over style and convenience.
“Just cus you can doesnt mean you should”
I think tablets are going to see a much wider acceptance than netbooks did, and as prices come down they’ll be much more widespread. Because of that, I see them being used regularly by DJs. I think all it’s going to take are some APIs to take advantage of tablets, and for some solid use cases to be defined. As an example, imagine if Traktor had an API that allowed 2 way control of the song browser. You could have the tablet handle library functions while the main screen was dedicated to decks. We’re already seeing this level of integration in Ableton Live, because the APIs already exist and are well documented.
I also see the iPad making it’s way into DJing through hardware integration. I know of 2 companies that are already working on iPad “accessories” that leverage it’s processing power and combine it with more traditional gear. That’s a very attractive proposition for a hardware manufacturer, because it makes their product cheaper (just like DVS allowed developers to greatly augment DJing by utilizing hardware the user already has). Processing power isn’t an issue, with dual core Atoms, 1.2 and 1.5ghz Snapdragons, and ARM11 already making their presence known. Advances in batteries and SSD will only make the case stronger.
Do I think that everyone is going to shun traditional gear and start DJing with only a tablet or two? Of course not. But it’s stupid for anyone to think that’s the only way tablets can make themselves a core component in a DJs setup. As it stands, tablets are a viable option for software control. I think this use case is only going to get stronger as time passes.
hold on a minute
The ipad has some drawbacks, but it has lots of potential as well.
TouchOSC works great, it sets up easily and starts up quickly. Also, it lets you get out of the booth and move around. Which could be helpful in a lot of situations.
Tonetable let’s you add DVS to your set-up with little extra weight or stuff to carry. While it’s not used in that capacity, the Ipad performs lots of other functions, that a turntable couldn’t.
And last buy not least, there is my personal favorite Flare/BabyDecks/babyscratch
Here you have mobile scratch practice, sampler, and the ultimate personal dj boombox.
I’d like to add that I’m a bit tired of the “tactile” argument. Cause the Traktor screen on my laptop ain’t tactile for shit and I can still mixx with it!
^^but isnt all that just more compromise to make the iPad fit the purpose rather than have the purpose already fit the device.
Touch pads are obviously a good solution, just look at the Multi Touch Table, that is one hell of an elegant way to DJ. But this is the iPad, its small its too light and it breaks.
If we are talking about Touch Pad control thats one discussion but the iPad is another.
If someone brings out a touch pad that is made for DJ/music production purposes that is bigger than iPad but smaller than an actual table and has everything that the DJ needs then im in but im not prepared to give up all that you have to give up to use the iPad.
iPad is too much of a compromise regardless of how good it gets.
But that’s what EVERY tablet is. Tablets are a mechanism for apps. EVERY app works to make a tablet fit a purpose. That’s the whole point.
What iPad did you buy, and what in the world did you do to it? I’ve dropped mine several times and it’s still going strong. There isn’t a problem with build quality in the iPad, so I’m not sure what you’re referring to. Maybe you mean it breaks if you beat the shit out of it, but that’s true of most DJ equipment. All it takes is the right thing to go wrong. That VCI-100 might feel like a tank to you, but you’re one spilled beer away from DJing with a keyboard all night long. Same goes for your laptop. And let’s not talk about all the moving parts in a laptop that are critical to it’s operation. It’s all easily broken if you aren’t careful. The iPad is no more prone to this than anything else in the DJ booth.
The chances of anyone coming out with a tablet specifically for DJing are slim to none. It would be a frankly stupid move, considering all the resources needed to create and support such a product and how niche the DJ market really is. The use of tablets (like the iPad) in DJ booths will happen just like it did with computers.
For you. Right now. Lots of people (including me) feel exactly the same way about the VCI-100/300. But lots of people don’t. Because of the value they represent, and the expectation that their use will be widespread in the near future, I think we’ll see much more tablet use by DJs. Especially as new people embrace DJing that don’t have preconceived notions of how things should be (because they’re new). They’ll base their workflow around the options available to them, just like we’re seeing in other aspects of controllerisim.
Lol i understand everything you said but like you said “For You” thats it, i dont think its a compromise i want to make.
I know that no-one will make a dedicated touch pad (with DVD drive and all the ins/outs needed) thats the point. No-one will so i wont settle for something else.
Thing is that most people that decry the iPad are against touch surfaces all together. I am not. I like touch surfaces. I just dont want to use the iPad cus its to small.
Its not much fun trying to EQ tracks with the little control you have over them.
DJs like us who embrace technology will embrace the iPad but i dont see mass take up by the guys that just wanna DJ, even the ones that want to go down the controller route.
But then i would say that because i dont see the attraction. Anyone that sees the attraction will naturally have more optimistic outlook.
Time will tell.
Just my 2 Yen.
Right now… people who cannot afford the ipad because of its over inflated price just are jealous. If the device cost 50 dollars… , all the haters would not be saying anything..
In all honestly people who say controllers are the wave of the future have to accept that Ipads are in that category too… If they dont.. then they are just hypocrites.
I have an Ipad… Do I feel drawn to use it…No.. When Im in a waiting room somewhere wanting to annoy people..absolutely do I want to use it.
am I trying to incorporate it into my live set? On one level I like to fantasize that I would..
I think right now.. and im not sure if it exists… but if I could get the ipad to be my monitor for my laptop, then I would actually use it. Touchable seems to be getting closer in this direction.
but at the end of the day the ipad looks and feels like an iphone on lsd
Dude try to keep this within the context of the thread.
We arent talking about “Haters” we are talking about ‘take up’
Will people buy it and use it to DJ.
You dont take the opinion of a hater in a balanced discussion.
I dont hate the iPad. The only reason i dont have one is that im getting a new iMac soon and i can only justify one Apple product purchase at a time to my poor girlfriend who has to put up with my geekness
The iPad is something i will buy when im not buying something else, its only a matter of time.
I will have one and i will love it but it wont be my DJing tool apart from maybe at my BBQs or parties.
I mentioned something quite a while ago that there is a defensiveness that iPad users seem to have developed due to idiots saying “its a waste of money”. This has developed so that people who critise the iPad are just shouted down as haters. Just not so.
I think that goes hand in hand with the whole “it’s not tactile”, or “it looks like you’re checking your email” arguments. I think they’re all a bit stupid. I (nor anyone else) has to justify their choices to anyone.
You brought up something I find interesting when you mentioned specifically EQing as a problem for the iPad. I see functions like EQ having MORE control on the iPad, not less. I could very easily dedicate a page in a TouchOSC layout to EQ alone, and use the entire length of the screen for the sliders. This would give much finer control over a given EQ than a pot could. Much more precise settings are possible when you spread it out over that kind of travel (easily over 100mm). And on top of that, I can manipulate multiple bands of EQ at the same time with one hand. Better still, I could utilize multitouch on a single fader to achieve value jumps not at all possible on a traditional control. If you want to take things a step further and add something like Bome’s scripting or maybe chording gestures, those options increase exponentially. Yes, you COULD script behaviors on a traditional controller’s EQ pots, but then you run into the problem of the software settings being out of sync with the hardware.
I think again we are talking about preconceived notions people have about tablets, based on very limited exposure to them and their apps. People look at something like Flare (which is pretty awful) and determine that THAT is what “iPad DJing” is. The reality is much more complex. All you need to do is look at how fast the app market for Ableton Live control is growing, and how functional the apps already are. And this is BEFORE iOS4 comes to the iPad and adds some of the much needed APIs currently holding development back - and BEFORE a major software entity decides they’re going to embrace tablet use and include hooks into their apps for that purpose.
I dont mean literally hater.. Im just saying to have an extra easy page to trigger things with touchosc or touchable its a bit expensive to have it for this sole purpose.
I think in terms of actually djing only on Ipad there are way too many factors which already have been mentioned to make it a quality source of audio.
The only app which I think is worth using to generate sound on some levels is the BLOOM from brian Eno, The electribe app is funny to mess with …but would sound pretty cold going through a proper sound system.
I guess Im always assuming everyone here is djing with software, thats where I again only see the ipad or even iphone for that matter as another triggering device in the present.
turning a knob virtually regardless of the present or future will always be awkward
I will not be putting my turntables away anytime soon!
therefore the ipad is little more than a kaoss pad with internet
and a fart piano
Or you might think of it as a Kaoss pad, and a midi controller, and an audio source, and a web browser, and a gaming console, and a productivity suite, and an email client, and a scheduler, and a music store, and… (you get the idea).
stop listing things
theres an app for that
Not the new BIG Dj tool, but a tool none the least. With TouchOSC, Griid, and touchAble, you can do almost as much if not more than you can with a Jazzmutant Lemur, which was one of the only other all in one multi-touch solution for years. I follow both hardware and software on both sides, and I’d have to say that the iPad is really f’ing jazzmutant hard in the area of sales and adoptability, so all those that are not doubtful about the iPads place in a DJ setup are pretty much completely wrong.
The argument will continue. You’re either a vinyl junky, or love your CDJ’s, or love your controllers, or love your multitouch tablets, or love a mad combo of all of them. The only thing that can be defined in the realm of good DJ’ing is did the end product sound dope, if it did, then the equipment you used is transparent. Any of the big name guys could adopt any tech tomorrow, and as long as their show was amazing, nobody would care. Only thing is, with the new technology, you can do more things to make the end product come off easier, or have way more tricks than you could with the old technology.
I dunno about for djing, but ive nearly convinced my self i need an ipad… and i really didn’t want before…
damn you apple