Yes…you are right.
Because no one that uses Traktor - also uses Ableton.
That’s not the point. The point is why would NI care about you using Ableton? Why would they care enough to want to integrate it into their own software? Yes people use the 2 in tandem but not enough to warrant a MAJOR software upgrade. Listen you dream away, I just don’t want you disappointed when what you wish for doesn’t happen!
Why would NI develop their own DAW - when there are already so many out there that are fully developed and fully in use?
No matter the developments that NI makes in this next version of Traktor. It absolutely will have full implementation with Ableton. It would be moronic of them not to make that an option.
Haha we’ll see then. Surely they’d fully integrate maschine LONG before ableton. But listen don’t take my word for it. You just sit there and wait.
I’ll bookmark this though and be sure to come back and discuss this again when Traktor ISN’T fully integrated with Ableton. Your obsession with it is blinding you. Traktor isn’t a DAW and I’d hazard a guess that NI don’t want it to become one. It’s dj software. End of.
Of course NI would care dearly about allowing integration with software from other vendors (aka, NI would have to shell out $$$ to Ableton). For them to have that kind of integration, there must be some sort of licensing agreement between NI and a company like Ableton because NI would undoubtedly need Ableton to provide them with some sort of API to build such an integration. It actually makes more sense for NI to do what they are doing with Traktor 2.5 than for them to go knocking on Ableton’s door. For the Traktor DJ, it’s evident that when they do integrate Ableton into their set up, they are using Ableton in a very limited way. For such a limited use of Ableton, there’s really no reason for one to even need Ableton apart from the few uses one has for it can’t currently be done anywhere else but in Ableton. So, this leads us back full circle to Traktor 2.5, it’s a smart move for NI to just include the few features that Traktor DJ’s use Ableton for into Traktor itself (it’s not like NI is building a full Ableton Live DAW competitor here).
So bottom line here? For NI the choice is to A) pay Ableton money and then spend resources on creating some sort of native Ableton integration in which they would probably not be getting $$$ back for because that is something that they would probably not be charging existing users OR B) create their own Ableton Live type functionality that they see Traktor users using Ableton for, not have to pay Ableton $$$, AND this is the biggie, they get to charge users a upgrade fee for. If I was NI, I would hands down go with option B.
Yeah, you do that.
we don’t have any real details on what 2.5 will and won’t add yet - so this is mostly mental masturbation and for a lot of dj’s some more advanced sample deck features in traktor may well be enough to stop needing to sync to ableton.
nothing “moronic” about not going the full hog and having a “full implementation with Ableton”. no point in integrating ableton gui stuff in traktor anyway - as people would always complain about what was and wasn’t included. and if you’re using the full ableton gui then surely all your need is to be able to sync/route them together anyway?
i haven’t used max4live but if seems to do a heck of a lot more than with just midi for live, which would help to integrate a personal setup of traktor+live
I bought the X1 in the end 
might consider the new controller in the future too!
I’m looking for help with regards to setting up the X1, I’m aware its “plug and play”. But here’s the problem I’m having.
I have 2 CDJ 1000s, DJM 800 using Audio 8 with time coded CD’s(TSP2). I go through the set up wizard in TSP2 and its fine, I can use the Kontrol X1 fine, but its when I use the CDJs the problems start, it won’t allow me to use both the CDJs and Kontrol X1 at the same time. I either use the Kontrol X1 or CDJs when using TSP2(2.1.2).
I thought I could have the best of both worlds?! CDJs and X1? But when using the CDJ to play one track then try to put a loop in with the X1 the track stops and goes from absolute mode.
Another question, I can’t cue a track up at the start with the X1, it won’t allow me to hear the first beat of a track
i suspect they’d look pretty damn cool next to each other 
indeed
all I have to do now is get the X1 working right for me with my CDJs
What mapping are you using? Stock?
You can’t use loops in absolute mode, you need to be in relative mode as i understand it
The scroll feature on the x1 is using “beatjump” in the mapping so you don’t hear it scrolling.
But you should be able to hear it cued up. The stock mapping is funny though if you have scratch control selected then the cues don’t work (you can over ride this in the mapping but it’s fiddly) as it assumes you’re using the cdjs to control the cues.
Use it in relative mode for starters and then try. also look at the hot cue bit of the mapping, that should work.
Or look out for other x1 mappings that may be more what you want
Thanks for proving my point…CLOWN.
New controller looks awesome sauce, april can’t come soon enough. To be honest I’m more stoked about the Traktor 2.5 tandem release. Looks like they totally revamped the way samples work, for the better.
delete all the timecode shit in the default mappings for the x1. basically just look for anything that says relative or absolute and delete it.
where do I find the default mappings?
you don’t find it it will find you
delete them all, plug you x1 the default one will appear.