I’m been searching for a while n i still can’t decide what i want to buy.
So i really need a suggestion from u all.
The purpose is to make remixes n make my own music.
In the beginning i’m set that i’m gonna buy ableton live, but then i go to guitar center n ask the guy from audio pro that he recomend more to logic pro. He said that its more easy to learn since i never touch any daw. N more durable. Since the download price only $200.
But then again i search again that some ppl said that ableton it easier than logic. So i’m really stuck.
The other question is do we really need the audio interface since i’m not gonna record any real instrument. Any kind of interface that u recomend that low budget since i need to buy midi controller also. Thanks
I only use Ableton myself, and haven’t tried Logic, so I’m not sure how useful my comments are.. but Ableton certainly isn’t that intuitive when you first play around with it. but once you figure out how it works, you definitely have more options when it comes to workflow.
This is the other question that i dont get the answer yet about using of both software. I check couple forum n couple dj, it said u make ur music at ableton live, mixing and mastering at logic pro.
But the think is if we can make a music at logic also, so why we have to use 2 software if we can do it in one software?? I basicly can’t afford to have both right now n i just dont want to miss a thing.
I’ve used both a fair amount, although I’m more current on Ableton. My take on this question is that a lot of things can be done in one step on Ableton that take three or four steps on Logic. Track routing tasks are way more simple on Ableton, for example. Now, a lot of these procedural differences can be lessened through creating template tracks or reworking the environment window in Logic, but these aren’t really beginner level tasks, in my opinion (especially the environment window).
I would say get the Ableton demo, start reading the manual, watch how to videos, then decide if you want to look at other alternatives.
Also take the advice of the employees at GC with a grain of salt (no offense to any GC employees on the board)
since i found out that the audiocore in ableton is just a joke compared with cubase or logic i would suggest it only to perform your productions live, but produce them in an adult daw ;o)
in the end, you will end up TRYING EVERY DAW FOR YOURSELF until you can decide YOUR tools which fits the best in your personal workflow.
since the most daw’s are aviable as som sort of trial-version this should not be THE problem ^^
Thanks for the replay guys. Its make a lil bit more sense. I just want to start in the right position n dont want to waste my time. But i guess its gonna take alot of mistake n time. Making music not gonna happen in one night.
Since ableton got a trial version, i might just try it. But its hard to let $200 logic pro go.
Another queston is do i need audio interface to start? What interface that u recomend under $400
Live will only sound bad if you can’t be arsed to read the manual section on the different warping modes or don’t set it to High Quality on the preferences pane and plugins. The truth is that labels don’t go asking around what DAW are you writting/mixing your stuff with.
The reason you see so many people that say they use both is because they tried both and figured out that each one has its strengths and weakness’. At $200 Logic is a great deal and the one month trial with Ableton is long enough to get a good idea.
Deadmau5 (one of the biggest gear heads around) uses Ableton to produce. That should be all you need to know to convince you Ableton is more than capable
to all of you which don’t believe what i say: open ableton, set everything you find to “high-quality” then add this equalizer to some track: Pardon Our Interruption
and then make the same in cubase or logic and play around with it and listen to what comes out, you will hear a difference of the behaviour of the EQ in both DAW’s which is as huge as the difference between my studio monitors and the sound of a pair of plastic-logitec-pc-system ;o)
and if you can’t hear the difference or just repeat what deadmau5 told you then i can’t take your opinion for real, sry ^^
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The truth is that labels don’t go asking around what DAW are you writting/mixing your stuff with.
[/quote]yep, i also think this is the case ^^ nobody cares how you create your sound as long it sounds good
the fact is, you can’t listen to a track on beatport and correctly guess what DAW they used. so ableton clearly doesn’t put out a worse sound, else you would be able to tell the ableton tracks, from the non-ableton ones.
you may get a ‘different’ sound after playing with a waves plugin, but you get a ‘different’ sound every time you do anything lol.
People do that because of voodoo. There’s no reason to do it that way unless they just want to.
I use Maschine for composition and then record into Logic (will be moving to Pro Tools soon) but that makes sense…Maschine is crap for mixing because NI doesn’t believe in meters.
It’s not that simple. Not by a long shot. My version of that is “if you care about live performance, get hardware…if you want to produce, get hardware and pro tools.”. It’s an exaggeration, and it’s advice I’m in the process of taking instead of advice I’ve already benefited from, but still.
Bullshit. Someone made that up. Logic and Ableton null to silence. (meaning that if you do everything exactly the same, they’ll create bit-for-bit identical files).
I’m not the least bit convinced that anything sounds bad. Also the word “audiocore” doesn’t mean anything.
There’s a lot of snake oil and voodoo in the music production world, and audocore wreaks of it. It was probably “CoreAudio,” and you probably were told that by someone who didn’t know what CoreAudio is.
No, you don’t need one to start.
You need the software, some soft synths (buy a version that comes with soft synths and just use them…if you try and buy your own, you’ll pull your hair out comparing them before you know enough to even pretend to try), something that actually produces sound (headphones or speakers), and time. A MIDI keyboard will help if you actually play piano/keyboard. Other controllers can be awesome. But you don’t need anything else.
If you want a souncard, the Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 seems to work great on OS X for the price.
I’d seriously consider Maschine as well, but I just like the way it works. (Mikro is a joke)
Again, bullshit. Record it and I’ll believe you. My time is worth more than chasing some fantasy effect that doesn’t exist at the word of some troll.
@OP, one thing is certain…Logic is insanely cheap. To get a version of Live that comes with as much costs $800. Pro Tools 10 is about the same.
Logic costs $200.
Live’s workflow is almost unique, but it’s something that I don’t like for production. So, in my view, Logic costs a fourth as much, works better, and appeases people lake racoon who believe it sounds better despite overwhelming evidence that there is no difference.
The downside is that all of its synths and its drum machine are so fucking ugly that they’re almost unintelligible. They sound fine, but I just don’t use them because I can’t remember what does what. Ableton’s synths win in the UI department, at least. Unfortunately, I don’t like the rest of it.
but i guess the part where he said “Because I don’t have time at the moment to write new material for a test like this, I just used some stems from one of my recent songs” is something that i was not talking from.
the difference i experienced was done with 2 daw’s, the same vst synth (sylenth1) triggered per midi (not bounced, but loaded the identical preset) and a waves q10 which had loaded the identical preset. (which is a different situation as in the test you linked)
i don’t know where this is coming from EXACTLY and if this part in the software is now called “summing engine” or “audiocore” or “some fancy part in the software” i am no daw-programmer ^^
maybe its voodoo, maybe i was to dumb to set the test up proper, i guess i have still to do more research to get a clue ^^
until then, i say what i see without guarantee for anything ;o)
Thanks for the review. i thing comparison between this 2 similar comparisan between windows and apple mac.. both can finish the job.. its just windows is beginner friendly. i guest i"m gonna go with logic pro and download the trial version of ableton live.
speaking of midi controller, I can’t decide between novation sl mk2 and axiom pro.. what u guys think??
since u talking about how suck drum machine and synths at logic, any advise to make it better?
Ultrabeat and ES2 are extremely powerful tools in Logic. Mostapha said he thinks the GUI looks ugly. That’s his personal preference and it in no way means they are shitty tools. I personally find them amazing. Learn them, use them.
i think there are 2 good combinations of gear atm:
1.) novation remote 25SL mkII: have a keyboard, have a daw control, AUTOMAP (not works with every vst really proper, but the few which make problems with the automap you just don’t use the automapped version and control it with midi-learn like you would without novations automap, but for all the vst’s which the automap works proper, you save a lot of time), price is not so high, no extra features besides a midi-control unit
2.) novation zero sl mkII + arturia the laboratory 49 (or v-collection): have a keyboard, have a daw control, AUTOMAP, a collection of really good synthesizer emulations, price is higher, not only midi-control but 7 SYNTH’s extra
i admit the second choice is not really for beginners, but when you don’t asking yourself if it will be your hobby for a long time anymore, you can think about making a bigger step at the beginning and save some money in the future ;o)