Maybe I don’t understand the question but I am pretty sure TT’s + 4 channel mixer + midi mappable buttons is all the OP needs…
which is what is available right now today.
that was a pretty cool project - not read anything about that since last summer. would be interesting to see if they can get the wow/flutter/jitter to a decent level. they were processing a whole heap of data per revolution from what i remember.
link a 4 channel SCRATCH CAPABLE mixer with at least a 16x16 monome on it please. like i said i know theres mixers out there with some mapping functionality, they just leave alot to be desired ergonomically, i just cant see cue juggling on buttons that are the size of a pea. ( like a rane 67 or a faderfax unit, or what have you)
the reason i keep refering to the apc40 is that it has enough mappable buttons etc to control every function in traktor. if theres a unit like this , with a real crossfader in it, ive certainly missed it.
I wanted to put the Innofader into my APC80…but it was not gonna happen.
The mini might go in now, but thats not REALLY scratch fader…like the other Inno’s, I have heard.
If I could put 4 NICE line faders and a scratch fader into the APC80…I would be SERIOUSLY happy.
I think in general companies need to start working with more local djs, some are working with big name djs to design hardware around their flow, but they need to really start working with local guys who have a much simpler work flow. The dicer is a great product, its form factor is fantastic, and is a great example of it. I think a lot of manufacturers are to focused on making something that will replace our existing equipment when they should be focused on adapting to it.
One problem as to why there hasn’t been a controller like this is because the companies making DJ products aren’t out the change the world or blow anyone’s mind. As you can see from the majority of products released this year, the main focus is to cash in on the S4’s success. Just about every company that makes DJ products has a controller some kind of 4 channel controller with build in audio interface.
I don’t want to sound biased here, but there really aren’t enough companies like DJ TechTools that are comprised of DJs and/or DJ-centric people or even just people that think out of the box that make products for DJs, not for people trying to be DJs. To me, that’s the big difference that I see. I know that we can’t fairly compare DJ TechTools to a company like Vestax or Numark in how their business works. Aside from making money, I’m very certain that their company goals are as different as day and night.
What these companies need are to work with more people that DJ professionally and tend to break the rules. Even just reading this forum, there is a plethora of out of the box ideas that could really push things forward. Put one of those MIDI Fighter super faders on a DJ mixer and give that to Shiftee (or any turntablist). That wouldn’t be cool or anything.
I just don’t see the majority of people using turntables actually using something like this. It’s a completely niche market, and that does not make money for people making the gear.
Most of the guys who use turntables, for the most part, use a scratch capable 2 channel mixer, and two turntables. Nothing super fancy, but it’s done the trick for years. For people who want to add something on, they get an additional controller.
You have to understand that this stuff isn’t super club friendly either. Bringing your own mixer to an event or club? Really? It’s not going to fly often unless you are throwing things yourself. Getting used to the standard equipment? That’s a lot more realistic.
I mean hell, I still pack my 1200’s into my car and bring them out for afterparties, alongside what sound equipment I have. Would using a controller be better? Probably? Would I be as satisfied, and would it look as professional? Definitely not.
The line between using controllers and software and analogue equipment is being blurred to an extent, but how much is really the question. Two turntables and a mixer, and a DVS package is more than enough for most people mixing. In fact, I prefer people who don’t get overly complicated, and I’ll say the majority of mixes I’ve heard from people on controllers have been wayyy too busy. Personal opinion, but just putting it out there.
There’s something to be said for keeping your standard mixer and turntables in one boat, and then pushing technology with controllers in another. I don’t really see the point of TT’s if you’re really pushing controllerism, and vice-versa.
well im seeing a fair amount of heads mention that their perfect mixer would in fact be a apc with scratch capable faders in it, so theres your niche market? ive been rocking 2 tts and a 2 channel mixer for 17 years, after using traktor for a year, this is what im seeing as being the answer. clubs ive mixed at are using tts and cdjs side by each, and it wouldnt take long to simply replace the djm with this and jam out. im sorry i want to scratch and rock cue points and effects, and to me turntablism and controlerism were made for each other , not to be opposites.
on the mark man. i think its because controllers for djing is still fairly young, that right now all these companies are trying to make a product thats easily distinguished from thier competitors that they feel theyve got to focus on this idea of “replacing our gear” instead of supplementing it. the all in ones make them great money because even expensive controllers they get a lot of cash flow from the consumer market. i think a lot of companies are fine with this though, because even if a pro uses a controller the public perception is that its a more amateur thing to use, so then they turn the idea of an upgrade into really a vanity purchase. the industry really reinforces this idea that its got to be one or the other, these big companies their whole goal is growth so many feel they need to sell a product with a short turn around time before they have to come up with a new product.
why not get the pioneer djmt1, install an innofader, get some technics and some dicers, then you have a midi/hid capable mixer with spare knobs to map for effect parameters/sample volume, you have buttons for cues loops and transport etc…a soundcard for hooking up dj software but with an analog scratch crossfader. And you have an extra 36 triggers for each deck in the dicers for cues, samples, loops, instant effects like beatmasher…
I have seen djmt1’s go for $800 from dj stores in Australia, dicers are $125, innofaders are $140 so your looking at just over $1000 for the controller aspect of your setup, and that would be everything you need for some future turntablist tricknology.
disclaimer - not sure if the innofader fits as its not on the list The Innofader Manual
^^ This!
I see it the same bro.
if you notice in my sig i have a mixer that will hands down put the ownage on that djm in terms of scratching, so why on earth would i want to shell out money for that, then have to replace the fader? i appreciate your input , but again i have a working set up here. everyone wants to suggest their idea of a combination of gear that would produce the results im asking about, BUT I ALREADY HAVE THAT lol.. im saying ONE MIXER-4 CHANNELS.. GOOD FADER…MONOME… that is all. one thing to carry and set up in addition to my TTs.
I’m sure you guys have seen this?
Not enough buttons? Does it need to be a stand alone mixer aswell? I’m sure it’s just a matter of time before we see some kind of hybrid.
Yep, this was posted a while back.
I think the new Beringher series covers it too, having the buttons etc.
I would like to see lcd strips that one can stick to a technics 1200 and view the waveforms in traktor.
Or some kind of app that will display them split horizontally across the screen of a smartphone via wifi.
600 bucks dude. And reliably only works with traktor…
So like an S2? I would’nt buy it either but it’s similar to what the OP wants.
yah ive seen these, pretty interesting, definitely the kind of thing im talking about. im just suprised none of the big names supporting this kind of DJing, ie rane , akai, allen & heath,vestax etc, havent jumped all over the idea. this type of mixer, and even some a little bigger with a few more buttons and channels, would address MANY workflows. properly mapped, it could be used to control everything without timecode, or in conjunction with it.
great idea