Ableton → Logic
Using Ableton now. Wanna switch to Logic just to try it. Also the macbook + logic seem better because Ableton is lagging when my set gets big. I don’t think learning Logic will be too much of an issue. Does Logic Pro 9 have everything Ableton does? Im mainly looking for the Eq’s and compressor’s logic have because the quality of them is good. Also the preset sounds are better.
Thanks,
Jed
Yes and no. It doesn’t launch clips, obviously, and the closest thing it has to MIDI effects is buried in the Environment window, which is asinine and kind of pointless, though I’m told it’s really powerful if you can wrap your head around it.
It’s got some awesome features and, other than those 2 things, is IMHO easier and faster than Live at basically everything…as long as you don’t rely on those midi effects.
Funny, I’m on the complete reverse. I’m looking at changing from Logic Pro which I’ve used for years and putting some time into Ableton Live. In response to the question I think you will love Logic. Very easy to get on with. Just know now, not for Live purposes.
Im in the exact same boat, seen that logic is now app-only and only $200 is a steal, considering selling my ableton lisense for it
I think I’m making the move to logic as well from ableton.
And what makes you think it will be any different with Logic in this aspect?
Figure I ask the question since the topic is on here. I want to do my own re-rubs and remixes. Is Ableton or Logic the best to use? How about Cubase and Fruityloops?
Thanks!
They can all do it. There’s isn’t a best.
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This sums it up. The fact that there producers around the world have “made it big” using every software out there is proof that it doesn’t really matter. They have different layouts, and what one person prefers another one may not. Don’t choose a software because it’s what everyone else is using, pick one that’s best suited for you.
I guess this is what i was trying to get at. Ableton Live is the only one I found so far that offers a 30 days demo. I’ll start with that!
Pro tools and cubase both do, but you have to buy a $35-$50 dongle to activate the demo. Logic doesn’t. Reason’s demo is unlimited, but it can’t open files, which is actually the most annoying…when I decided to try it last, I found someone who owned it and borrowed their ignition key for like a week. Studio one has a limited demo, but I’m pretty sure it’s just Cubase with different branding. Not sure about any of the windows-only ones.
I use Logic but most prefer Pro Tools, if it matters.
Also take a look at Bitwig Studio, it’s still in development, but a Beta should be announced in the near future. To me it looks like the perfect mix of Logic and Ableton, and has almost every feature that I wanted out of Live. Worth a look.
Thanks for the reminder. I forgot about bitwig! That beta needs to come out now!
Honestly Mostapha hit the nail on the head. I waited for a little while before picking up Ableton, and I thought long and hard (insert joke below) about what I wanted to use for production. Then I realized, it honestly doesn’t matter. The hardest thing I feel for me is (and from what I’ve read also) to take the time out and invest in learning your tool. A DAW is an insanely large piece of software that is not easy to master. I sometimes find myself working in Ableton for a few hours, sometimes for a few minutes depending on if I can or cannot get the sound I want out of it right away.
The point being is that the DAW you choose will not make the bangers for you. You have to do that yourself. Your DAW is like picking what type of pencil you want to use during a test. It doesn’t matter. The only thing that will help you is studying your material and working on the problems over and over till you learn how to do them properly.
im an audio engineering student and use both extensively for my school stuff
IMO logic has more and better instruments but ableton has a much much better workflow
here’s some of my comments regarding the two, some are + , some are -
in logic, I really dont like how the ultrabeat shaves off the first few ms of audio, you can hear it if you load a really punchy kick with a lot of transients up front and then loading it to ultrabeat and making it sound “weak”
in logic i love how the ES2 can pretty much do anything - if you get to know it inside out, its pretty damn powerful
in ableton, i love how you can group tracks together and they become like a BUS, its really really easy, and fast, no fuss, oh and sidechaining stuff takes like ONE CLICK literally
in ableton i love how simple and easy to use OPERATOR is - good for carving out bass, sub bass, or anything really
in ableton the clip launching sometimes works in your favour in creativity, for example rather than laying down stuff on the sequencer you assign stuff to the clips and launch them as if you were playing traktor, you can often get really really awesome creative ideas this way, if the idea is set you can just press record to record these into the sequencer
theres so much more that i can say about the two, you really wont lose much by choosing just one, in the end they all do the same thing with slightly different workflow
just pick one, master it, and you will be fine
if the $200 logic that they sell now includes all the instruments fully then i think its a really good deal to get into logic, all the included instruments are awesome and saves you from purchasing extra instruments for awhile
That’s a good point. Logic pro is only $200, for everything except main stage…which is kind of irrelevant to EDM producers. it’s a lot cheaper than anything else.
What a great thread. Great input from folks. I just downloaded the Ableton Live 30 days trial. Question for everyone. I’ve in the process of reading the manual and also going to youtube and there’s tons of instructional videos. However, so far the ones I’ve watched they assume you know the basics or more. I’m trying to find one that’s for beginners. Can anyone point me to some videos? If not, I’ll keep looking and reading the manual.
Again, great info on this thread. Thanks everyone!
There are some decent introductory videos on Ableton’s site. Dubspot and Sonic Academy also have several free videos out there - they’re not perfect, but they can help you get some ideas to get started and they can give you an idea of the workflow for Live. Also, give the FutureProducers forums a look - that’ll get you started on learning some of the theory of sound design as far as fattening up your kicks etc.
There are tutorials built into ableton that are worth running through.
But other than that, there are these: Kreative Tools für Musikschaffende | Ableton and then whatever else you can find online.