**Which One To Choose? Logic or Ableton???**

Which One To Choose? Logic or Ableton???

Hey guys, so I’ve finally decided to take the plunge into the Production side of the musical realm, but I can’t decide which program to buy! :open_mouth:

I’ve been doing my research on music production programs, and from all of them out there, (Cubase, Reason, FL, Pro Tools, Logic, Ableton) I’m torn between either getting Logic or Ableton. I’ve checked out the diferences and pro’s and con’s, and they both seem to be top notch. Everybody rates them as excellent programs. So whci one? :confused:

Ok so let me first say I’m primarily going to creating EDM, and I’m looking at getting something thats intuitive failry easy to learn and fun to use. Hopefully in the future after practicing and learning for a while I’d like to produce EDM that sounds professional not amature.

So what program out the 2 in your OP will do that for me? Any comments and opinions are welcome! Thanks guys! :slight_smile:

Download the available trials and try them out both. Personal preference is the key :slight_smile:

I prefer Ableton, but that’s what I learnt on. Never really got the hang of Logic when I had a mac. Bit confusing for me.

Download the demos for sure…

Pick the one that makes the most sense to you and fits your workflow.

I use Ableton but only because I don’t have a mac, Logic is also a great DAW although I haven’t had so much time with it, it just depends how they work for you.

I use both. I use Ableton more than logic though, say 70/30% split.

Both have their pro’s and con’s. A lot of professionals use features from both and then import everything into their preferred DAW for workflow purposes etc. I was undecided which one i wanted more.. so i got lite 8 and logic express, used them both, still couldn’t settle on one, so i upgraded both haha

What I have noticed from using both is that recording my own samples, vocals and any original raw sound, Logic is my weapon of choice. However, if your just remixing and using downloaded samples and instruments then Ableton takes the cake there.

Ableton is definitely the choice if your going down a pure electronic music path. The flexibility and versatility it has is great and it can be used for sooooo much! But for more original sounds/recordings/compositions, Logic is a bit more logical :wink:

The latest version of GarageBand has a lot of features from Logic, made easier to use of course. Cant wait for the next major Logic update :smiley:

Great idea! :slight_smile:

Thanks for your feedback mate, this is what I mean ha ha.. They both sound excellent. I think i’ll get the demo’s and try them first.

Ableton sounds a little but better though.

Why I think I can comment: I’ve used a lot of software. At one point, when I was shopping for a DAW, I demo’d just about everything that would work on a Mac: Pro Tools LE, Logic, Ableton Live, Cubase, Digital Performer, Reason, and a couple that I’ve forgotten. Since then, I’ve also used Pro Tools HD, Renoise, Reaper, Ardour, and Record.

Why you should take what I say with a grain of salt: I haven’t produced anything of note, just some bootleg remixes that I was kinda happy with and some original stuff that’s never quite done until I get sick of it and start something else.

The top 3, for me, hands down are Logic, Pro Tools, and Ableton Live, not necessarily in that order. You’re not asking about Pro Tools, so I’ll ignore it.

Ableton is the DAW that I have the most experience with by far, but it’s not currently installed on my system. I think it’s perfectly valid for DJing, and it’s great for playing live. Some people love it for production. Personally, I think it takes forever to do anything. It doesn’t have score-based midi composition, a feature I really like. Its signal routing is different from basically everything else out there, which has both its perks and problems. I don’t think it handles 3rd party plugins–from strictly a GUI perspective–very well at all. It can’t really use multiple windows: multiple plugin windows, yes…not multiple of its windows, which basically means that you can’t easily use multiple monitors with it if you ever want to, say, put your edit/timeline/arrangement view on one monitor and your mixer on another, which is something I very much want to be able to do whenever I can afford it. You might not. And if you’re buying Live Suite, it’s included instruments and effects are mostly pretty damn good…but it’s got some gaps. Live Suite also costs like $700 for a download.

Logic is less pretty IMHO, but it makes up for it with it’s keyboard controls and a few specific features: the inspector is great for showing important mixer channels easily without wasting too much screen real estate. The multiple windows and the way to manage them (key commands, midi/HUI controllers, or configurable window groups) makes it a bit slower to set up and a lot faster to use once you learn how to do that and learn how you want to use it. Its editing is more powerful, though more complicated. It has some features that make working with audio a lot more convenient. Flex Time is IMHO easier to use than Warping. Its included plugins might be better, with the exception that its instrument GUIs are mostly unintelligible. It does come with a TB-303 replica that sounds pretty good and is easy enough to use. And, Logic Studio costs $500, comes with more instruments than Live Suite, and comes with Space Designer, one of the leading convolution reverb units on the planet…along with an impulse response utility to be able to measure the reverb characteristics of a space.

If you don’t need all that, Logic Express is the same program, minus a few of the more advanced plugins, Main Stage, the convolution reverb and delay, and their conversion/dithering stuff that doesn’t matter anyway…for $200…that still comes with several software instruments that sound good but have really crappy GUIs.

Even if you buy Logic Studio and Reason (Logic and Ableton Live both can act as ReWire masters), it only costs $100 more than a download of Ableton Live Suite…or less than a boxed copy by like $50 IIRC.

Given the choice between Ableton Live and Logic…Ableton is just too damn expensive for what you get. Logic offers more stuff for less money, the ability to use better control surfaces, the ability to run TDM plugins and use the Avid DSP cards if you’re ever in a pro studio (Logic Studio only, not express).

Logic is just plain a better deal economically.

But some people swear by Ableton because of the way it works. I don’t think it’s worth the money.

Wow.. Thanks mostapha for that very insightful and informative post. :slight_smile:

You seem to know a lot more than I do, even some of what you said I don’t understand. I’m sure though as I learn the software I’ll also learn the different terms. you see this is where I get more confused. So many people swear by both, its hard to choose.

I’m not worried about price really, I just want a quality program thats gonna do what I want it too, and make whats in my head come into reality professionally. I will be doing a music production course for sure once I’ve bought whichever program I choose.

Thanks again for your post mate. :slight_smile:

Yup, this question is going to spit the room every time. For example Mostapha makes a load of excellent points, but the

“I think it takes forever to do anything.”

part about Ableton almost made me spit out my cornflakes, as for me personally that’s Ableton’s biggest strength by a country mile, how quick and easy it is to get ideas down.

But then of couse this is all just IMO, and no doubt Mostapha and I have different workflows/requirements etc and herein lies the problem!

For my work I regularly use all the other DAWs, I just had to do a full track in both Cubase and FL Studio for example, and I found the whole exercise frustrating, but I have to be conscious that that’s probably because I use Ableton every day and know it inside out, a Cubase user might think the same in reverse.

I went for Ableton based on research and trial, and have never looked back, but it might not be the same for you.

Not much help all this I admit ha ha, but just to get perspective on how it really is personal preference.

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Thanks bud, yeah it seems that it basically boils down to personal preference. I’ve been doing more research online and they both come across as professional DAW’s that say they can pretty much do all what you want it to.

The biggest difference I see is that Ableton costs more $$$. If I think or am persuaded that Ableton is probably the better option, then I really don’t mind paying that little but extra, I mean thats what I did when I bought my S4. :wink:

Well I’m not sold yet, so I guess I’ll just keep digging.. Cheers.

I’ve used both, Ableton is much better for me. I find you can throw down ideas a lot lot faster and the whole workflow is just more intuitive!

You can make good sounding stuff in either, it’s just a case of which you find most comfortable and FUN to use! so, demo them and find out ftw…

So I’ve been checking checking online some more and I think I might be leaning towards Logic at the moment. I’m using a MBP at the moment so in a way it just seems logical? :stuck_out_tongue:

Cubase.

Oh nice, throw a spanner in the works now why don’t you! :smiley:

i wouldnt let the fact you use a mac sway your decision. i use ableton on mac at work and pc at home and its great on both (and i like the fact i can use it on both OS)

out of all the things you said on the original post ableton covers those the best: quick to learn, fun and pro sounding

also a thing to consider is you can integrate ableton into your dj’ing setup

at the end of the day just play with the demos and see what you like the most, i know producers releasing stuff using fruity loops, its what you feel most comfortable with…

id say live intro would be a cheap way to get started with an upgrade path to the full version…

I am going to chip in with a vote for Ableton.
Although I admit I don’t use Logic, I’ve got a lot of respect for the app and the producers that use it.

It might just be me but I see a lot more resources and tutorials (videos / blogs/ producer homepages) for ableton available online if that’s something you are interested in. (although again to be fair you can transfer general sound engineering / production skills across software)

I love the way you can build up racks of instruments and effects in ableton after a while it seems so simple yet so powerful and flexible.

in conclusion I am 60% in favour of Ableton :slight_smile:

Ableton Live because of the session view. Makes it more like an instrument for me, especially with the Launchpad.