Decided to beat grid all my track (at last got the courage to do it) in Taktor…
I am find some track that are made in for ex. 124.113 and it looks fine but when i adjust to 124 everything gets messed up.. i starts with grids on the beats and goes out of the beat after the first break.. and so on.
When i adjust the beat grid into position, the start falls apart.
Is it like that some tracks are just ment to be 124.113 and it cannot be adjusted?
And the other thing is, a few tracks that is 126 BPM gets detected as 186, is there anyway to fix that? ofc i cant BM yet so no comments on that..
Some tracks have strange BPMs so it is not impossible that a track is exacly 124.113.
Something that can happen is a track having an unstable BPM, so it changes the BPM on one or more points. To correct that you can use softwares like Ableton to edit the tracks and make the BPM stable from the beginning to the end, do some youtube searching about warping tracks.
If the detection is clearly wrong you can change the BPM on the “grid” section below the decks.
The right BPM is the one that beats in perfect sync with the metronome from the beginning to the end. Don’t trust the software, neither your eyes, simply use them to make your ear’s job easier.
I’ve seen this a few times as well and I don’t really understand how electronic music that is made digitally can have anything other than a whole number for its BPM.
The only time I can understand it is when I’ve ripped a vinyl to my harddrive on a shitty turntable so the BPM wasn’t stable. Other than that though I don’t get it.
its strange I bought a load of late 90’s early 00’s trance last week from juno and not a single one had a perfect beat structure, all of them moved around off grid close enough to still sound ok or need a little nudge here and there but i find it difficult to believe that all of them were like this, 50 odd tracks. I am wondering if they are a vinyl rip or something.
Tracks with a live drummer can be all sorts of bpm’s.
It is possible that even if the track was created with a drum machine, that in the final mastering the tempo was adjusted “by ear” or to bump something into key or for some other reason.
Thanks for the responses, will try to warp it up and see how that goes
mostly older tracks that has these differences but they are like couple years old and bought on BP.. all tracks from 2014 looks fine just a few with 001 difference.
When i owned a Pioneer DDJ-SX (for a very short time) i had to go through the task of beatgridding.
I play oldskool DnB & Jungle, and almost every single tune i tried to grid was out, way out!
I did some research into this, and i was told that music from that era was made on eqipment thats midi signal was not very tight by todays standards, which created fluctuations in tempo and bpm.
I don’t know how true this is, but it seems to make sense to me.
yeah that makes sense, just strange as I have some stuff from early 90’s that is pretty much bang on but ever track i bought the other day was off slightly, not a big deal slight nudge here and there can easily sort it.
Just keep hitting the tap button on the beat and the you will see the BPM change after a few taps. I barely ever manually beat grid any tracks, there have only been a few occasions where the BPM was wrong and I had to tap it out.
In my opinion I think there should be an option in digital music distribution to have a track quantized if needed. For me to do it in Ableton, it’s a big pain in the ass. Some tracks I get, published this year, have all kinds of drift.
Something I’ve noticed is that some tracks are XXX.00001 hehehe some might find this stupidly irrelevant but it is something that intrigues me… i don’t find any XXX.00002 or XXX.000005… just a bunch of XXX.00001, maybe it’s due to software distortions, IDK. And it only happens with Traktor, never happened with Ableton.
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Something I’ve noticed is that some tracks are XXX.00001 hehehe some might find this stupidly irrelevant but it is something that intrigues me… i don’t find any XXX.00002 or XXX.000005… just a bunch of XXX.00001, maybe it’s due to software distortions, IDK. And it only happens with Traktor, never happened with Ableton.
[/quote]For what it’s worth, Traktor is the best at tempo detection. I have Serato, Ableton and Traktor, and I always check the tempo on Traktor and adjust accordingly. Always turns out right.
Swing and groove are specific musical terms that have nothing to do with a fluctuating BPM. I use large amounts of swing in my productions with a steady BPM.
And, for DJs that use beatgrids (which we already know you despise) a fluctuating BPM is not ideal. It is not the “entire freaking beating heart of music” for everyone. In fact, in this case they aren’t even talking about the natural fluctuations you get from recording live drummers. They are referring to unintentional fluctuations that are often brought about by bad vinyl rips or old school midi.
Bare in mind that this is DJ Tech Tools, a site that encourages people to get creative with new technology, including the utilization of beat grids, sync, cue points, software, effects, etc. You’ve made it clear in multiple threads lately that you look down on most of this (although you gladly use Traktor software and DVS for convenience). Can you at least let the dude try to solve his beatgridding problems without reminding everyone that you think we shouldn’t beatgrid in the first place?
yet so no comments on that.. 