Hi, i actually have and use a VMS4.1 as Traktor/Ableton controller and as main soundcard.
I want to get an update this year since the VMS has an 24bits/48KHz on analog and 16/44 on usb sound card.
It was my first controller / soundcard,and the VMS is a perfect option for newbies and hobby-amateurs, but now i need more channels and faders (at the beginning i used only Traktor with the internal FX, but now I’m using Ableton for the effects, with return channel from a PSP42,and my sound layer managed from an Ableton Push. traktor and ableton on same computer), and a better sound quality would be great too.
I saw the Xone4D long long ago, on Mr.Hawtin’s videos…but it still expensive like a MacBook.
I looked and compared it and it has all what i need (of course,… it’s a f_--- 4D),integrated sound card, analog/usb ins,FX/Filter on board, midi over all, jogwheels…
To all:
Knows somebody if something comparable exists?
To Xone4D owners:
I use Traktor and ableton in the same computer…
Can i “send the preview from Ableton direct to the headphones”?(without “losing” a channel on the mixer only for the preview).
Or what exactly means a&h when they say “20 Channels”??
If you don’t need the thing to be standalone you can always use XoneX and save some money. But, DX doesn’t have the famous A&H filters, only software FX…
Hi, i ve something similar i use xone 2D &1D+djm800 i use 4decks in traktor ( internal )and use faders to the 2D as volume fader + jam for ableton&maschine , on deck 1 to the djm 800 i ve 4decks to traktor on deck 2 maschine on 3 massive and on the last the preview
unfortuneli you need to kill one decks for preview ..
realy if you can bye xone 4D go one
I don’t think the OP is looking for the “latest and greatest” hardware. Sierra update gave it life for a couple of more years and it’s a real bang for buck if you do the Traktor hack and use it for DVS
Hi, thanks for your comments.
I don’t want a DX,also, its a very good option, but isn’t what i looking for.
For me and my configuration, a 4D would be a great option(and maybe the best), with my config i send the sound of the Traktor decks to ableton, i use ableton filters as EQ on the decks (i wouldn’t to with a good mixer),an resend to processed sound to the mixer.
With ableton sends I’ve made a “virtual send/return” (a channel on the mixer only for the returns).
The fourth channel is for my sound layer managed from the push.
As i said,i have no soundcard besides the VMS intergrated one, a Xone92 or something else “pure analog” would be too expensive.
And my Macbook (Late’08) has only 2 USBs.
When a see a Kontrol X1…i miss something on this device,i don’t know what but isn’t for me, i like the xoneK1(and can be connected over XLink).
Another (and more expensive) option could be a XoneDB4(or db2) + Xone K1.
But comparing costs, and the fact that i use (or could use) software effects,and the 4D offers club sound too(i don’t mix in clubs,but like this sound)… i don’t know,
Has somebody another “better” idea?
The Xone:4D does have 5 USB channels, but the 5th one is only for the digital in/out or something? I don’t see how you can use it for previewing. Pretty sure the DB2 and DB4 only have 4 channels.
I don’t think there are any affordable mixers with 5 USB channels. If your budget allows it I would go for the XoneX5 combined with the K1.
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The Xone:4D does have 5 USB channels, but the 5th one is only for the digital in/out or something? I don’t see how you can use it for previewing. Pretty sure the DB2 and DB4 only have 4 channels.
I don’t think there are any affordable mixers with 5 USB channels. If your budget allows it I would go for the XoneX5 combined with the K1.
[/quote]I habe now
masterAbleton / DeckA / DeckB / FXreturn, with a Xone i can save a channel on the mixer because of the send/return knobs (or using the “1Ds” faders to do it) now i musst to have a channel only for controlling the FXReturn.
I could use the mic in and the macs standar jack out to have an ableton preview (actually without, in my config…only the cue)
That would only work if you can route the send/return as a 5th channel, which isn’t possible on most mixers. According to the Xone:4D manual the FX RTN knobs are only for the RCA connectors on the rear of the mixer.
maybe xone 2D … for long times about 8 years i ve playing traktor maschine ableton and also real vinyl just with xone 5D ( one 2D + 3X 1D… ) without mixer ,all in 4
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maybe xone 2D … for long times about 8 years i ve playing traktor maschine ableton and also real vinyl just with xone 5D ( one 2D + 3X 1D… ) without mixer ,all in 4
[/quote]In emergency case could be an option xD.
But i asked because the 4D is nit the newest mixer, maybe there are more newer options but i don’t know it (i means a “new version”, from xone or another trademark, which "same layout/format offers)
[quote=“ErikMinekus, post:11, topic:76813, username:ErikMinekus”]
That would only work if you can route the send/return as a 5th channel, which isn’t possible on most mixers. According to the Xone:4D manual the FX RTN knobs are only for the RCA connectors on the rear of the mixer.
[/quote]Ok…and how works the send/return on a 4D??
Works the knob on the mixer “like a fader”?(more return, less “master”?)or what’s the effect when i set the return to the max?
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Ok…and how works the send/return on a 4D??
Works the knob on the mixer “like a fader”?(more return, less “master”?)or what’s the effect when i set the return to the max?
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[/quote]So, that’s from the 4D’s users manual.
There these 2 knobs for the return in,if i understood that thing:
A)When having it as “prefader” i can do the send when the fader of the cannel is totally down.
B)The returns aren’t “channels”, but it will added to the master with this 2 knobs independently from the fader status (if in pre)
That’s would be a dream when compared with my map on a digital controller without filter and sends (3 filters on ableton, for decks a/b and Ableton master controlled by 1 knob and 3 buttons)
X and save some money. But, DX doesn’t have the famous A&H filters, only software FX…
X5 combined with the K1.
