How much of the music you have, you actually purchased?

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How much of the music you have, you actually purchased?

Honestly, how much of the music you have on your hardrives or in your wallets you paid for? Im not talkin about the working cats that get hooked up since they actively promote the music in the clubs and can give feedback to the creators of the music. Im not even talkin about stuff that a producer/ remixer/ artiste gave you personally, that you promised you cant give out while you steady playin it on some internet site.

Im talkin about, and to the rest of you out there.

You talk about (pick your genre) is on life support, its dyin, bum-di-bippity bop. And yet, you couldnt be damned enough to even buy the music. You go out on the internets, download tracks with low bitrate from blogs, AIM, youtube etc. You have entire networks of folks that steal music from somewhere else and then upload it to even more folks to steal. I mean, times is hard, and cigs cost money. Why should you pay for it, right? Then you have the grand nerve to want to come out play all that free music and get paid to do it.

No wonder some of these scenes or genres are dying.

Wanna know how you can support? Stop bein a leech (and that is an insult to leeches since they actually have some use). Get a real job, hell, get two. Save your pennies and buy the gotdam music. Yeah, I know you cant justify springin for some vinyl in this economic climate, so maybe, buy some wavs from beatport or some other legal site. Still too much?, Aight you hump, do some 320 or 192. and stick to the internet residency. Cant quite get under budget you say? Go buy Itunes, and stay in your bedroom forever (and while you there learn how to mix ).

If you cant afford to any of the above, then you dont deserve to call yourself a dj. And you dont deserve the right to whine about a scene you are helping kill with mpfrees. Hang it up.

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wow your little rant had me laughing for some time.

Im not going to rehash the tired debate over the presumed evils music piracy. you are very naive to believe that the sale and control of music by huge corporations will be responsible for the death of any “scene”. The music will never die.

you have every right to post your rants and yell at people become passive consumers and buy there music like they are told to do. and I have a right to tell you that times are changing. Research the band Radiohead and you will see what I mean.

also if you have time check out the following film that gives a pirates and “DJ” perspective on copy right exploitation.

http://www.hulu.com/rip-a-remix-manifesto

as a producer and dj I would think its absolutely necessary for as many people as possible to “steal” and blog my work. It is vital for the health of the art that we move out of the “record industry” and move into the “music industry”.

Oh and I will not be seeking permission to “steal” your words and post them in other forums. lmfao its just to funny.

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Alright… first of all, I dont really understand why you felt it necessary to come here, to post your rant about the state of the general music scene.

Personally, I try my hardest not to pirate, and as such, I own about 80% of the music in my library. However, I feel its a tad bit ridiculous for me to purchase the intellectual material of others, no matter how much I do happen to love it (which is hard to determine from samples).

You talk about the health of the music scene. lets pick a random one. hmm, hip hop. You are saying the reason it is dieing is because people are “stealing” the songs? Personally, I feel like its the exact oppossite. commercial hip hop is killing the genre, and you know why? Because people are BUYING IT.

Your right. Lots of people “steal” music from mainstream artists, but thats got nothing on the number of people who actually pay for it. hell, if thats going to help kill the current genre, I might just spark up the old internet and download all of it.

small labels/artists are the only ones who are really at risk, seeing as they dont have massive commercial support. However, if you go to many of these indy artists shows, they are handing out albums like candy, because guess what, they WANT to get heard, so their small voice can be recognized over the shouting shitstorm that is mass media.

If you want to support a band or an artist, fuck, go see them live, go buy their tee shirts and other shwag. Praise their music, turn your friends on to it and let them do the same to their friends. But shit, if you think that buying an album is going to support your favorite band, who happens to be signed to some label like warner brothers… think again, cause only a fraction of that money is going to them (granted, this doesnt truly apply to bands that run labels, and a majority of EDM Labels not ultra, because they are trying to support the artists under them).

I dunno. Lets look at radio podcasts like A&B Trance Around The World or Armins A State of Trance. These shows throw hundreds of new releases out to the public, for free. Do you think that hurts the artist? If anything, I would say it does the opposite. It gets their name out, and helps attract new fans, who are, what do ya know, going to go see them gig live, and buy their shit (thus bringing money), as well as buy their songs/albums.

You’re right. The traditional music scene is dying. However, why must that be a bad thing? More bands need to take a leaf out of Radiohead’s book, and release their albums for PayAsYouWish (Radiohead averaged around 7 dollars an album, and about 30% of people paid absolutely nothing, which still sits them well above what they would have made under a label).

Edit
Lol, someone beat me to the radiohead thing.

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Blimey…
Just out of interest why do you say “stick to internet residency” if you dont play Wavs.
I never play Wavs (and not wanting to get into the whole mp3 debate) im not a bedroom DJ , i play to over 3000 people every week. Im more than happy to play iTunes downloads sometimes.

Anyway thats a side point. Its usually me that attacks the pirate and downloaders and i often get a lot of stick for it cus it seems that on forums you are either tarred with the ‘cool down with the system’ brush or ‘your a corporate whore who supports the big horrible music biz’

I like your rather grandiose post.:smiley:

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Yes your right.

More bands should sell millions of albums (which means people buying them in the first place, hello) and then be able to afford to do what Radiohead did.

Well done Radiohead for making a lot of money.

Well done ME for buying all those Radiohead albums and buying the concert tickets to see them and enabling them to do In Rainbows.

CAN OPEN, WORMS EVERYWHERE…

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Yes you’re right. You might have to be big to do the radiohead thing.

But like I said. Small bands hand their EP’s/albums out for FREE. Little cheaper than you know, PWYW.

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The short answer to your question is ‘All of it, I buy all of my music’. I come from a generation where vinyl was king and you can’t get vinyl for nothing. I have over 6000 pieces of vinyl, hundreds of cd’s and a few hundred legal downloads.

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I love you, my new Highland friend… me to.:smiley:

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Och, you’ll make me blush…

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I admit, probably 50% of my music is pirated, however most of that is from when I was like 15 (Blink 182, Greenday etc).

I have only just got into DJ’ing, in fact my VCIse will be here tomorrow, but I have promised myself that from now on all my music will be bought legally. I already have about 10 songs and it feels good knowing I paid for them and makes me appreciate them more. They come with the artwork and with good bitrates, it comforts me that if I ever do get to play in public I KNOW I will be 100% legal.

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I had a few hundred vinyls in and lots of legals cds. I also buy regularly at beatport, like once a month, and have been buying all my non dj music in itunes for the last years.

I have spent thousands of euros in music…

But as everyone else here I also have some stuff a friend passed me, or I couldn’t find in any store and had to download. Id’ say about 15%…

Anyway take a look at this:
http://labs.timesonline.co.uk/blog/2009/11/12/do-music-artists-do-better-in-a-world-with-illegal-file-sharing/

In the dj world more and more labels are coming into the scene everyday, and producing music is becoming cheaper and cheaper than it used to. You buy logic express and some good softsynths/fx and for 2000 dollars + computer you got a hell of a studio in a box. So if music is cheaper to produce, and it goes directly in digital reducing lots of costs (no box, no copies), then people are willing to buy music because it’s cheaper. I used to pay like 15 euros per vinyl with 2-4 tracks. Now with 15 euros you buy between 7-15 tracks at beatport…

I don’t think dj music is dying, on the contrary. There are more djs today than ever… It’s just that people tend to buy more digital than vinyl so labels have to change their strategy and adapt. Labels that survived on cds and vinyls need to learn a new way of distributing their music and reducing production/distribution/manufacturing costs.

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hahah Dude get off the high horse,
Stop stressing what everyone else is doing & prefect your own craft. &thanks for giving a perfect example of my point that a lot of “dj’s” act like its a car show, rather than an art…&about having fun. This is counterproductive.

“The industry is a menace to artists.” - Nikki Sixx
Indy labels are where its at.

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Back in the highschool days before Itunes, Beatport and Amazon all my downloads were pirated (the majority of my software was as well). However, the majority of my music was bought vinyl and CDs.

Today Im proud to say ALL my software is purchased and about 95% of my music is purchased (and btw…that shit adds up to A LOT of cash).

However, that being said. I have NO problem downloading a pirated track if Im faced with that “territory restrictions” bullshit, if the track I purchased has many very similar versions and I bought the unintended one or if I literally cant find it anywhere to buy.

Take a look at Solarstone’s view (very anti-piracy indeed) :smiley:

http://www.365mag.com/index.php?pg=spin&recnum=714&Title=365Mag+Interview%3A+Solarstone+on+365Mag+International+Music+Magazine

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Thats exactly what i was talking about.

Hes not on a “high horse” hes stating his valid opinion.

I hate this "to cool for school’ attitude that people who disagree with illegal downloads are all “moral” and shit.

Come on, give the guy a break. If you disagree and your fine with stealing music thats fine but please dont look down your nose at people that dont steal music/software.

Just a thought.

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all of it apart from promo’s which I have only recently been getting, I have about 90gb of music apart from the DJ stuff which is EDM and bought of legitimate websites which i keep the receipts for in case something goes boom with my laptop! everything else I own the hardcopy.

oh and you can add 2500 or so Vinyl to that, even bootlegs cost money in the old days, unless you were lucky enough to get given lots of promo’s :stuck_out_tongue:

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If you re-read his initial post you will see that his stead is flying high indeed. calling on people that refuse to pay for copy right exploitation to “get in line” and buy the “gotdam music”. What a joke, and like we said earlier he has every right to be a joke. He was not asking a valid question like the title of his post suggest rather ho chose to project immaturity and down right logical fallacies. Not only does he infur that in order to be a real dj you need to be a consumer, but you are a “leech” until proven otherwise.

just another thought.

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sm00sh, I Agree.
Karlos your confused, hes initiating the “look down his nose” with the original post.

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Look there are holes in his post. Its not consistent and he makes assumptions that dont bare close resemblance but his premise, that stealing music is wrong is one that i happen to agree with. Its not an opinion that is immature but quite the opposite. Maybe the way he words it isnt very mature but im not gonna call him immature just because his wording may be.

I have no idea what “logical fallacies” means im afraid.

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yeah, i’m not going to even entertain the dead-horse argument about illegal file-sharing - some people think it’s the scourge of the music industry while other camps think it’s the new model for the music industry.

but what i will comment on is this, scenes have come and gone with a lifespan of a few years for A LONG TIME. this isn’t exclusive to dance music, this isn’t even exclusive to music or art in general. this is part of the human condition, people’s interests change rapidly and so does their entertainment.

Don’t blame technology or big businesses for killing scenes, blame people for wanting to experience new things instead of the same old shit day in day out. Blame innovation, Blame creativity, Blame your grandma, Blame your dog - at the end of the day it doesn’t matter who foots the bill because it’s just part of life pal.

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please don’t take me to be a grammar snob, but a fallacy just refers to a defect in argument other than a false premise.

again i don’t mean to beat a dead horse but like we said, he has every right to what ever premise he wants. no one was attacking that. Just the ridiculous manner in which delivered his opinion.