Is it wrong to steal music u have already bought?
I have so much old vinyl that is very close to becoming redundant…
Is it wrong to get the tunes from Torrents (aka nicking them) even though I already own them…no i am not burning the vinyl to mp3 that could take years.
Legally, probably not on - I still think we’re under the stupid situation in the UK that burning a CD of MP3s you’ve paid for to play in the car isn’t legal.
Morally, provided the artist gets paid, I personally see no problem with downloading digital versions of tunes I own on vinyl. However leeching tunes from torrent sites and not paying for then, then playing them out and get paid for doing so would make you a total cunt (IMHO)
I can’t imagine that being a problem for anyone. I just bought the new Avatar 3 DVD set, and I downloaded the digital version instead of pulling it off the DVD or ripping it, because it takes much less time and the quality is better.
Devils Advocate :
By downloading Torrents you are supporting torrent uploaders and piracy, whether you have previously bought the product is irrelevant. Buying it may put money in the pockets of the artist but its still helping the piracy industry if you then download it so you are giving with one hand and taking with another, so to speak (not exactly but you get the point).
This is statement on the question, it is not my opinion on whether its good, bad or indifferent so guys spare me the lecture on piracy.
This is the only remotely legitimate reason to use a torrent site. Plus you don’t know what kinds of other bugs and crappy audio you’ll get from the torrent site. I know its a pain, but the only real way to ensure you get good audio is to rip it yourself.
Id say it might the only ‘remotely excusable’ reason but its certainly not a ‘legitimate’ reason if we are using the word literally.
I have a friend, he produces tunes, he couldn’t care less if they are torrented. They are probably torrented by people that wouldn’t buy his tunes anyway so he loses nothing. What it does do is gets his name around more. He looks on it as free publicity.
Whether that’s right or not, I don’t know.
I used to torrent all my tunes, I even had a cracked version of Traktor. I decided that I was torrenting any old sh*t and my music collection started to look decidely crap.
I decided I wanted to take digital DJing seriously, so I bought a copy of traktor, I deleted all my torrented tunes got and I started again. Now I buy everything except any promos I am fortunate to be given.
I think this perfectly illustrates the point.
People who torrent music (specifically) are not generally the targetted users of that medium. The targetted users generally want to pay for the things they use out of respect for the artist, the scene, and also necessity.
legally, since you own a copy of the original, i dont think its a problem. lets say you cut off the torrent before it began to seed, yet were warned / taken to court for your action. you could prove you had the original, and i think that would end that.
however, the act of seeding appears to be the biggest “catch all” in the states. as soon as you do that, ISPs and labels attempt to hunt you down.
It’s a matter of opinion really
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I think what it comes down to in the end is the fact that you can get as much reassurance or whatever as you want from here on this site but in the eyes of the law what you would be doing is illegal really. If the moral implications are what you are worried about then go for it I say as you have bought the stuff but if it’s actual books being thrown at people, you would be a target.
Set your torrent program to not share.
Then you are getting music you already own and also slowing the torrent down for people who don’t own the music.
</devil’s advocate’s devil’s advocate>
I don’t personally think it is. I mean, I used to rip all the games I played and then would keep the originals and play off the rips (for computer games that required the disk in the drive). Thats not illegal, it would have been however if I took that ripped copy and handed it to a friend. I just liked keeping the originals in good shape and would play/toss around the burned copies. Maybe I have OCD… O.o
As long as you own the original I see no issue with acquiring the media through another, normally illegal(as in used for illegal purposes), form. Just don’t seed that bitch.
think of it this way…
If you bought a CD and lost it, is it ok for you to go into a store and steal one for yourself? I mean hey you already bought the CD once right?
With your ogic you should be allowed to steal a new one for yourself. The word steal means you are doing something wrong, so i think it goes without saying that your are doing something wrong…
Yeah but you’re not stealing it. Steal is the wrong word here. You steal that CD from the store and they just lost the sale of that CD, you’ve compromised them. By downloading the song you’re not “stealing” it from that person so it’s removed from their computer or anything, it’s a copy. He didn’t loose his copy, it’s just easier for him to download them without having to rip them. In the law it says you may have digital copies of your media. That’s never an issue, even downloading them isn’t if you have paid for the original. It’s when you start handing them out for free, or charging for it without permission (can’t sell another person’s intellectual property).
The morality maybe but the ‘legality’ isnt. Its either legal or illegal in your country.
Yeah didnt think of that but, you still supporting the piracy industry by helping with the ‘demand’ for the stuff.
Is EXACTLY how i feel about it.
I fear we are gonna go over well trodden ground here. We all know where it goes so im out of this one.
Have you guys seen “Rip: A remix manifesto” ?
http://ripremix.com/
I recommend
"Biomedical engineer turned live-performance sensation Girl Talk, has received immense commercial and critical success for his mind-blowing sample-based music. Utilizing technical expertise and a ferocious creative streak, Girl Talk repositions popular music to create a wild and edgy dialogue between artists from all genres and eras. But are his practices legal? Do his methods of frenetic appropriation embrace collaboration in its purest sense? Or are they infractions of creative integrity and violations of copyright?
You be the judge by watching RiP: A remix manifesto."
I’ll sign off with:
You should definitely buy all your music.
Once you’ve bought the music, you shouldn’t have to buy it again.
Except: if you’ve bought a lower quality version of the file. 192 - 320 mp3 files for example. DVD > Bluray.
If I had the vinyl release, I’d have no hesitation about getting the mp3 later from Hypem at a pinch, although I recently spent a couple of days digitising old vinyl anyway.
The CD argument doesn’t really stand up. By making an additional copy of a digital file you’re not preventing anyone else owning a copy of that file.
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The word ‘steal’ is highly emotive (and as I believe you produce music, I can completely understand why you get highly emotive about it!). It’s a phrase that FACT and the RIAA are trying to get people to use when referring to illegally downloading music, which technically is breaching copyright …
At the end of the day, people really should pay for the music they listen to.
If they don’t, the artist won’t get any money for the massive amounts of effort they put in to making music and at the worst case, they’ll just stop doing it. Support the scene you love!
think of the warm nostalgic feeling you’d have from recording all your old tunes…
also, even for doing that legally in the UK you need a produb license
