I had nothing to do with it 
I agree on double standard of infringement and never understood this or making a remix of a old track and slapping your name on it and a new title it seems a double standard is trending. It has been this way for a long time but is really snowballing. Agreed trying to find high quality transcodes through legal sources is damn near impossible.the odd time you can find one it’s had no cleaning of the audio done which sucks. Fairly glad I digitized my vinyl collection back in the late 90s as I would be kicking myself had I not.
Sasha vs garbage when I grow up
Dave mathews band space between Tiesto mix
Salt tank eugina
Deepsky stargazer
Kaycee escape
Kai tracid liquid skies
Hell even Kai tracid too many times
Bbe seven days & one week
Brainbug nightmare
I could go on and on about this but I’ll quit listing releases
Various test pressings with rare mixes of tracks that are impossible to find on torrents or legal sources.
Back then there were vinyl release groups that were great at what they did since was before could get cd singles. It wasn’t until about 2002 that it was possible to find cd singles that weren’t just promo’s and the vast majority of vinyl I’d purchased would have to be imported and usually had to use google translator to even get through the site.
Vinyl digging was fine but wasn’t untill 2001 that could find anything besides house or d&b where I lived
Just my .02
Not going to input much opinion here, but surely it’s only a matter of time that a company opens up providing a better level of quality and ease than a torrent while charging and feeding the labels back their percentage.
In all honesty I’m surprised it hasn’t happened already.. maybe beatport should look into expanding 
There already is a service out there where you can pay a monthly fee (think it was between 10 and 15 dollars) per label, and you’ll get all their stuff for free.
Kind of expensive to be honest. If they only do one EP a month that would only be about 8 to 10 dollars (assuming it’s a 4 track EP at 2 to 2.50 a track).
But you do get a lot of cool from the label as well. Exclusive remixes, news, collector items and so on.
If they dropped it down to a flat rate of $5 a month per label I would easily put down a $100 plus a month to sign up to this.
Another interesting side fact, will have to do some digging to find the report, but on average people who download music “illegally” still end up spending more money on music than those who don’t download music “illegally”.
So the people who are supposedly killing the industry are also doing more than other to support.
I can’t play illegal music out anyways and earning money with illegal music is really really wrong, because thats whats DJing is all about, buying tracks, but when I’m buying my music directly from the label/artist or get vinyl + mp3 free then
the money is leaving my paypal account much easier
than buying trough beatport/itunes where I have no control over who gets the money.
The indrustry should change, it’s about 10x easier just to get stuff hot off the torrents and enjoy
than buy music. A few day ago I bought some stuff from TrackItDown and guess what,
it was mislabeled. Wrong album cover and misspelt song names. When I’m buying tracks for 2$ each I want them to be perfect,
available in every format there is (flac, wav, 320 mp3), easily downloadable. They ain’t.
So yeah, playing illegal music for money is wrong, but just for listening I totally support guy’s using torrents
just to show the industrie that buying music has to be easier. Just my 0,002 cents.
It amazes me that alot of CDs haven’t made it to MP3. I had to buy three CDs from Amazon recently so i could rip them to have them. Why haven’t record companies moved to Digitize older stock? I am sure they could make a killing…
So i torrented a track recently. It was a vinyl only release and it was sold out everywhere, and it was a f-ing bomb! Had to have it. Not particularly proud of it.
Have you ever looked at the list of songs in some of those torrent packs? ALOT of trash…it’s easier to dig and buy your own music than trying to sift through the garbage…
so true!
This is a really interesting thread.
I’m staying the hell out of it!
I think the idea of a time period is not bad. Maybe something like 30 years and it can be made publicly available? It’s a long way off from happening though if ever.
There is a time limit, but its over the top. Songs like"she’ll be comin’ round the mountain" are part of public domain. That’s why Disney “releases, for the last time, from the vault” their old movies. It renews the copywrite.
Okay - I’ll jump in…
If I’ve exhausted every avenue I can find, and still haven’t been able to legitimately get my paws on a track that I love, damn right I’ll check the torrent sites for it.
I love music - and I won’t deprive myself of it if I can’t GIVE my money to someone to provide me with it.
I’m quite happy to avoid/ignore the moral issue if it means I can listen to a tune I’ve looked for FOR YEARS in my car on the way to work in the morning.
I’ll still nod my head like a mother-fucker with that shit on full blast (might even have the roof down with my shades on!) regardless of if I paid £40 for it on vinyl, or D/L’d it via torrent.
Music is great , I love it. It makes me happy and brings joy to my heart. There is no moral issue for me. It’s all about what comes out of the speakers.
Don’t make it hard for yourself. If you can lay your hands on something that’ll bring you joy, fuckin’ do it without a moments hesitation. Life is to short.
yes, yes they are
My opinion is this, If you have the means to pay, then support and pay… I pay for all of mine… I dont have a problem swapping tracks with a fellow Dj, however it will only ever be a few. I still havnt got a good quality recording of “personal jesus - timo mass remix” and ive looked for it everywhere.
Next time he plays in Bali ill just have to ask him I guess.
i did torrent a copy of odyssea to anyoona by jam and spoon the other month as i just couldn’t find anywhere to buy it. i already own a couple of copies on vinyl and used to have it on their album on CD but chucked out all my cd’s years ago. then i realised i had ripped that cd to wav anyway 
i was desperate to find it and it’s not like i didn’t own it already - but just not in digital format.
i don’t see how buying 2nd hand is any more legal than torrenting. it’s not helping the artists and if the original cd owner made a backup (which they are allowed to do) before selling you the cd who owns it now legally anyway?
also would love to buy a copy of “whale” by “witchcraft” as my copy on vinyl probably isn’t going to make for a decent digital conversion. can’t find that track anywhere…
You, obviously. The sale implies a transfer of the license from him to you, which means the seller no longer owns the right to have a copy.
The thing about having a second-hand market is that it actually increases the value of stuff. When purchasing, say, a car for $6.000, you know that you’ll be able to sell it later on and get some of that money back. If you didn’t have this possibility, your willingness to pay $6.000 for the car would be a lot less, because it’s simply become more expensive.
The very same is true for music. Indirectly, a second market generates revenue for the artists, because without it people would, on average, be willing to pay less for the music they purchase, bringing the prices down.
But enough with the theoretical bs already. If you can’t find it within reasonable amount of effort, fuck it. As Patch said, life’s too short.
well not “obviously” else i wouldn’t have asked 
tho more what i meant was whether i legally now own all my rips given that i binned all my actual cd’s. i suspect i don’t… tho seems dumb to have to keep the physical cd just to retain right to play the music.
not that i’m going to lose any sleep over that one track and will buy it legally if i ever find a download to buy…
Sorry, didn’t mean it that way!
Not sure about your case.. A lot of the copyright legislation is vague and/or outdated, I don’t think situations like these are properly handled. Whether or not you theoretically legally own the right to have the copy, you have no means of proving your purchase (unless you kept the receipts), so whatever the case, you’re pretty much screwed. Legally, at least.
Maybe it’s just that I was checking the wrong sites but years ago when i did trawl thru torrent websites, like the only music I could find was shit that was played out like crazy. I’m pretty sure thats why I stopped checking those shit sites - could only find music that was super popular and was sick of subjecting my computer to all the malicious code that’s hidden in sites like pirate bay…
Where you using private sites that you have to be invited to link oink (dont worry mod’s that site no longer exists)? These are the communities that are passionate about variety and quality of music. Public trackers are a waste of time for anything.
@zestori yes you do own your rips as they are your legal backup, however you can only make 1 copy using a cd duplicator, you cannot rip it to your pc, you are also allowed to make an analog format copy aswell. these are ur 2 allowed backups incase you loose ur origional
I wanted to add the point, that we are maybe comparing the wrong forms of media. I would say, that my “torrenting activities” have had very little influence on the music I actually buy. Instead torrented music has wiped another medium from my listening habits completely: The radio.
Before music became widely “available” for free, I would spend a similar amount on music to DJ with and a bit of extra cash for albums that weren’t for DJing but felt special. This hasn’t changed at all, the only difference is that when I wanted to listen to something else, I had to turn on the radio and hope that there was a station that would be playing something decent. Now I have the chance to create a personalized playlist without having to rely on some radio person to play music I like.
This only changed recently with services like Spotify. For home use, I now use Spotify and I am happy with it. But when I’m not at home, having the music on my phone still feels more convenient than relying on a streaming app. Especially since I’m one of the few persons without a unlimited internet plan on my phone (mainly because I live in different countries every 6 months).
I have yet to try out Spotify’s offline mode in premium which could probably solve my issues but until I find the time to do that, I will keep my torrented music on my phone without feeling bad for it.
So am I the only one who used torrents for that? Should radio stations be more worried about pirated music than record labels? What other services are recommendable for legally listening to lots of music?