Xone 92 vs Xone DB2

Xone 92 vs Xone DB2

Thoughts? title says it all which one would you choose :wink:

Each one is great, it.s just what you want;
4 band eq & filters (more control on filters)
Or efx & filters (little less control on THE filters) but filter mode on THE eq’s.

Depends on your priorities and what you’re looking for in a mixer and how you like to mix.

For me, it’s a no brainer now; a Xone DB2. There’s a price drop here in The Netherlands, and the Xone DB2 is just € 76 more expensive than a Xone:92. But like Xonetacular already stated, it all depends on your priorities.

Advantages of the Xone:92 to the Xone DB2:

  • 4 band EQ
  • 2 Voltage Controlled Filters
  • Dual LFO, compared with the VCF gives you great manipulation of the music
  • 2 AUX/FX Send/Return with line fader, great for external effects or Maschine
  • 9-digit VU meter
  • 4-digit crossfader LEDs, so you know which channels are assigned to the crossfader
  • Analogue!
  • The Xone:92 has clearly proven itself to be a mixer which will last a decade; it’s thoroughly built and it feels just like Quality with a capital Q.

Now, let’s compare the Xone DB2 to the Xone:92:

  • High quality USB soundcard, so no need for an external soundcard in use with a DAW like Traktor/Serato, 4 Ins and 4 Outs
  • 2 FX units with iLive esque quality of the FX (f*cking great!!!)
  • 2 HP/LP filters (like the DJM-800 Color FX)
  • 3 (!) EQ-modes; Isolator, EQ 92 and Filter Mode (just like the VCF’s from the Xone:92, but without the bandpass)
  • Not crammed and I love the layout of the EQ-section; it’s not standard
  • DB2 is digital, so it will be updated by A&H from time to time, to give you, the customer, the greatest experience possible. Also I know that the Xone:92 gives clicks when activating the VCF’s; with the DB2 A&H can just simply fix this in a firmware update :slight_smile:
  • Line faders of the Xone DB2 are straight and not with a slight cure, like the Xone:92 ones
  • Short line faders, but this is no problem for me, since you can assign the CUE meter from the Master meter (at the right top, you know what I mean) to the channel fader which you are cueing! This is just great, because that meter has 13(!) digits and it’s not like you’re constant monitoring the levels of your track, right? So this negative point about the line faders can be solved within the software of the DB2, which is also a PLUS :slight_smile:
  • INPUT MATRIX!!! This one is just too great, you can plug in the RCA’s of your Input in the inputs of channel 1 and then select channel 4 to play the input :d. A great, great addition
  • The DB2 is like fully MIDI programmable, so for example you can map the FX units to play, cue and loop tracks in a DAW like Traktor/Serato. The Xone:92 only has limited MIDI capabilities
  • The FX unit has a onboard looper, so you can just loop and with the other FX unit, you can still use some FX over that channel
  • Well, I mentioned the firmware updates. What we can expect (I hope), is that you can can choose for each channel in which EQ-mode it will be, more FX (always good), and even more possibilities that I can’t think of (Traktor Scratch Certification, maybe?).

I’ll hope that this is enough for you to decide :smiley:. If you have questions regarding my comparison, don’t hesitate to ask!

Normally when I use the xone 92 the things I use and like the most is the 4-Band EQ and i like the HP Filter would the DB:2 emulate the 92s filter system? and i use the extra channel for my maschine and sometimes use the send for delay pedal…you said the DB:2 Eqs have 3 different modes where would you interchange with them on the mixer? and how do you assign the effects?

Well, essentially the High, Mid and Low knobs are becoming your filters.

In FILTER mode, the High knob becomes the control of the low-pass filter, the Mid knob becomes the control of the Resonance/Sharpness (Q) and the Low knob becomes the control of the high-pass filter.

For example, to imitate the high-pass filter; rotate the High knob fully clockwise, set the Mid knob at the Resonance you would like to have (I tend to keep it in the middle) and turn the Low knob fully anticlockwise. By slowly turning the Low knob to the middle or further, you hear the high-pass filter. I hope I made it clear like this :smiley:.

Which delay pedal you you have? I think you can just ā€˜throw’ it away, because the onboard Delay FX are just fantastic, where you can adjust the Beat Fractions or have the Delay in milliSeconds. So no need for a pedal anymore!

The 4 band-EQ, well you just have to get over it. I think that you have lots and lots more control with FILTER mode.

You assign the FX with the XFADE/FX jumper right below the EQ section. It can be set to X (FX unit 1) or either Y (FX unit 2). So you can assign one, two, three or even four channels to one FX unit (major plus point comparing to the DB4) or have none assigned to the FX unit.

Another plus point: Post fader FX, just like the Pioneer ones :slight_smile:.

i’ve only mixed on the 92,but i do like the look of the db2 better.if i had to choose i’d go the db2!

JDFS sums it up excellently, I think. I don’t know if you (Santos) ever played on a 92, but after using a 4-band EQ, I’m never EVER going back to a 3-band. So my only advice to you is to test out a 92 if you didn’t do that already, try out the EQ and find out if it’s your thing. If you don’t care about the 4-band EQ, the DB2 it is…

Edit: I didn’t look at you sig: Xone 92 :open_mouth:. So the only question remains, could you part with the 4-band EQ?

I honestly do love the 4 Band EQ but I feel as if all the other things out-way the 4-band and it does have an isolator built in…not only that but then i wouldnt have to bring my soundcard (depending on the night) nor my delay pedal…but does it have an extra line input to route my maschine into?

Yes, it has. But you do need an external soundcard for that! Then sync the MIDI clock and you’re good to go (I believe) :slight_smile:.

ya you can use an external soundcard or the optional route of RCA to 1/8 from computer jack to RCA on mixer :wink:

Not with Traktor you don’t :slight_smile: You won’t get isolation but it’s easy enough to map a knob to your high mids (or whatever your favorite part of the 4 band EQ is) in Traktor; the internal Traktor EQs work even when you’re mixing externally so you don’t lose any control by having a midi-mapped knob to satisfy your 4-band cravings.

HAVE CAKE! EAT TOO!!

That depends if the frequency of the mid range knob is adjustable, or else you won’t get proper separation. In that case you’ll have to map the mid high and mid lo to a knob and leave the mid range on the mixer for what it is. But doesn’t that beat the purpose of the whole mixer? Plus, the EQ on the 92 is analog. I don’t say analog is better per se, but why go through all the trouble by using two EQ’s (on the mixer and in Traktor), if the 92 can do both?

Ps.: I know, I’m biased :wink:.

Well, that should be quite a good solution, if it should work! I don’t know that, unfortunately…

And the comments about the 4 band-EQ; if you MIDI map those on the DB2, you’ll keep switching between MIDI and normal mode, thus meaning you can’t use the normal mixer while adjusting the Traktor EQ. Just get used to the DB2/DB4’s EQ and adapt your favourite mode; mine’s FILTER mode.

If I’m tweaking a knob in traktor I’m probably not going to need to tweak an EQ knob on the mixer at the same time … but if I did want the ability to adjust both, I would just map those extra knobs on the X1 or other midi controller – certainly both EQs would work at the same time if you did adjust them that way. Anyway it’s just a thought for those who want that extra bit of control with the Xone 4-band EQ.

But yeah I just use filter mode on the DB and even though I sometimes map the VCI knobs that way (with the 4-band eq) I find I don’t bother using it much.

salve!

i couldnt help but register and chime in…

as this is my first post ill babble a bit:

so im a dj/producer that didnt make any music for 3-4 years at all… dont ask why, pls:wink:
so i recently moved and now have sopace for a small setup again…
pulled out the old 1210s… and that was it… no more mixer or anything else

being an admirer of the timecode vinyl but never had the opportunity to buy one, i set myself up for a NI scratch with maschine as controller… starting from my hh/d+b basics and maybe later do some live sound also technoid/ electric style…

thats the premises…

now i scanned the market for a suitable mixer… coming from the scratch/hh dj era i was looking into 4 channel mixers with a good x-fader first…

then i quickly realized that the market somwhat shrinked and that there is no such thing as a simple 4 channel mixer without any effects on board…maybe a nuo4-didnt like it…

after thinking the setup through now i realized that the maschine itself could fill up any number of dj battle mixer… knowing the p&g reputation and a&h continuity and quality i see almost no way that it wont be a xone 92 or db2 for me, either…

things i consider is:
92: the4band eq-more important with electro than hh, the swappable fader option, the 6 st-inputs compared to db2Ā“s 5, 6 signals being mixable at 1 time, in general: 4 years before id never purchase a digital mixer for djing… having an analogue piece… has 2 aux sends-though i dont have any 19`` effects or sth

db2:with the db2 id have 5 channels mixable, but could choose 4st inputs from maschine or sth, is midi assignable, no xfade swap, no 4band but 2 effects. like the input matrix

my problem is-i dont know the maschine yet, really…
will i ever have the desire to output more than 4st tracks from the maschine, but i guess not…
on the other hand with the 92 i could work with 6 tracks, but need an external interface-no big fan…

allinall-i guess i could live with a db2-never had a 4band eq in a dj mixer-so maybe wont miss them… db2 fader curve performance doesnt seem toooo bad… anyone know how much 1 of thece would cost to replace?

anyway-its a pretty effin hard decicition…i really wanna order one of these babies tomorrow-could you give some more input pls?!?

would be great

and forgot the need of a audio interface with the xone 92… rme would be my choice but for a portable solution is pretty junky

my setup right now would be
TA10 Xone:92 Beschreibung
Out Port A Input 1 Audio für Traktor-Deck A (geroutet über Maschine Gruppe A)
Out Port B Input 2 Audio für Traktor-Deck B (geroutet über Maschine Gruppe B)
Out Port C Input 3 Audio für Traktor-Deck C (geroutet über Maschine Gruppe C)
Out Port D Input 4 Audio für Traktor-Deck D (geroutet über Maschine Gruppe D)
Main Out Return 1 Audio von Maschine, Gruppen E-H
In Port C Record Out Audio für Traktor Mix-Recorder
as in this thread-in german…
http://www.traktorbible.com/de/t2_maschine_ta10.aspx

could be done with both mixers and an audio 10, but with the db2 i could bring 8 st channels from the maschine to the mix instead of just 1 stereo sum from grp a-d with the xone 92…

still dunno…very hard choice..even more so if you never had the stuff in your hands…

With the DB2/DB4 you can even route the Maschine channel to a Traktor C/D channel (I want to route it to channel D, which I will use as sample deck) and don’t even need an external soundcard. The only thing I will need then is a USB Hub, since my MBP only has 2 USB inputs.

I’m only using Maschine as a step sequencer or to trigger one shots, but I think it will be in the future. First, I want to get my hands on the Kontrol F1 and then I’ll decide if I need the Maschine…

hmm still not getting it… what do you mean by "the " maschine channel…
i dont know the box-but my guess is you could output 16 channels and input 16 (8grps x2) channels into the maschine?
wouldnt it be nice to be able to have as many outputs of the maschine routed to your mixer?
what are the common setups / channel routings to and from a maschin? i know it depends on style, but what are ā€œmost seen setupsā€ you guys have stumbled upon?

also with the db2…couldnt i assign the traktor decks 1-4 as inbuts over usb?
guess not thats why they usw the plugin in above post…
but its strange really…it should be easy to offer the track decks over asio drivers..or am i wrong?