Who said NI slept through the beta?
There were testers, testing on the betas all the way through but the concentration was on the Mavericks as that was what was prevalent at the time. I am not saying that there has been no testing on Yosemite but that testing cannot always be timed for an Apple release.
NI have their own products to test and they should do them on an already tested OS.
If you are using Traktor and you are thinking of getting a new mac you don’t buy one with Yosemite until NI release a statement saying that all products are safe to use. Makes sense to me. How many people will have the misfortune to have a mac fail and have to buy one with Yosemite in the window between the mac failing and the OS being approved? Not many, if any.
There will always be some delay/overlap when a new OS comes out especially when it is at the time that a whole slew of products is coming out and NI don’t have any influence on Apples releases (obviously).
My point is, what’s the hurry. We’re talking days, weeks a most. Just seems to me that people want a new OS for no real, genuine reason other than to be on the latest OS. Your clubbers don’t care.
There also seems to be a few people that think Yosemite will fix issue that they have with Traktor on Mavericks.
So, I was going to say you can still get old versions, but…uhh…they’re not on the App Store anymore.
So…thankfully, I just buy and download all versions and keep them around. They do still work, at least. And there’s probably an illegal archive of them somewhere.
But, yeah…it’s one more way Apple is abandoning the pro market.
But, it’s Apple’s issue, not NI’s. NI is doing nothing wrong.
It’s a lot easier if you use Pro Tools. Avid often takes months to certify a new OS release. You get used to it.
Sadly, you can insert ANY software maker into these statements and find similar threads on their respective board. MOTU killed me last time with Mavericks because I didn’t follow my no early update rule
There has never been an urgent reason for me to be the first to upgrade… especially since the last thing I want is my computer to ring when my phone rings. There goes the privacy
Privacy died when the Cloud happened. Or, at least, it became prohibitively difficult for normal people and a huge headache for the tech elite/savvy.
And, yeah…I was one of those guys who used to go to the apple store on the first day for the new OS…got bitten by Ableton, Avid, and Serato at varoius points.
The Avid/PT one was the most annoying…I ended up having all the junk sitting around and unable to use it (or the audio interface it was tethered to…it was a while ago) for like 8 months. My image was corrupted, Apple couln’t give me the 10.?.n-2 release for some reason, and the 10.?.n-1 release wouldn’t boot my Macbook. That was the last time I even did a 10.?.n release on time. I usually give it a month and just run alternate copies of openssl, openssh, browsers, encryption libraries, shells, and build tools…basically the security essentials I have some control over.
Serato have also issued the same warning as NI about Yosemite - and although Serato has what (i actually dont know) 2 products to test, NI have a gazillion but nip over to the NI forum and you’ll read people berating me because NI weren’t testing it’s 100’s of products for compatibility on a a beta operating system so that they could give it approval on day one.
I’m sorry but these people are either idiots, or just ill-tempered demanding children - there I said it.
Pretty sure that’s the last time NI had more native hardware to test with than Serato… And NI make virtually all of theirs themselves, which really ought to be an advantage, no?
It’s just wrong that Serato has a harder job than NI.
NI
Traktor (Scratch) Pro…a mixer, 4 sound cards, 5 controllers, one that’s brand new.
Maschine…5 controllers, lots of bundled plugins, plus VST, AU, RTAS, and AAX versions of the application.
Komplete…“75 products”, 3 controllers, a sound card (if they still make the KA6), Maschine integration, compatibility with every DAW that supports VST, AU, RTAS, or AAX plugins. So, that part alone is more like 225 products and over a thousand combinations that could have issues.
Serato
A handful of plugins in a few formats.
One updated DJ product.
A couple dozen plugins (in-app purchases).
Roughtly 3 pieces of hardware that they make.
And compatibility with a bunch of stuff, but not nearly as much as Komplete.
I’m sorry, but NI makes more stuff and has more to test. Period.
I was just purely thinking of DJ stuff, not the production side. So you’re right there. Getting Traktor up to speed should still be far easier than SDJ though; way less hardware involved.
Well that’s the first time anyone has ever put any thought into a post on this subject - and for that I thank you for stating what you and I see as blindingly obvious. There’s hardware and software
Yep, and that’s the mistake a lot of people make.
Most people that yack about this at the NI forum seem to think that the world revolves around Traktor when in fact it is the smallest part of the NI stable.
Or another way of seeing is that Serato have the advantage that Pioneer and various other hardware manufacturers can help with the process.
It matters not. I never get anywhere with this subject. I have a guy that has joined the NI forum specifically to denounce NI for not having Yosemite compatibilty the same week as the OS was released because “even he has had the 10.10 beta for months”… again I refer to “idiots” that think that a whole product range (plus a new product range such as the S8 and Komplete stuff) can be fully tested on a beta OS. I can’t even be bothered to reply to him.
NI’s caution is to everyones advantage… likewise Serato… but everyone demands that mummy has their dinner on the table as soon as they are hungry.
Back in April, I was on a team developing an application for Android phones and Google Glass. Google broke everything a couple days before the presentation, and we ended up demoing screenshots from before the app was finished. The difference there is that you don’t really have a choice on whether or not Glass updates itself.
This was also the update that caused a large portion of the Glass devices out there to brick.
Hours on the phone…researching…re-writing tons of code…re-writing tests…eventually having to get a warranty replacement on hardware.
And that’s one of the biggest and most successful tech companies on the planet with a little app because of a dot upgrade.
If you haven’t done it, you have no voice to criticize with. Just don’t update on day 0. Issue resolved.
Besides, it’s been years since an OS X release actually advanced anything significant. Now, it just adds shit to the list of things to turn off and usually doesn’t even come close to keeping up with upstream sources for lower-level tools.
Native Instruments has conducted compatibility tests with Mac OS X 10.10 Yosemite which have shown current NI products to work without any specific issues under standard installations of this operating system.
However, products with a hardware dependency, such as Maschine, Komplete Kontrol, Traktor, Guitar Rig and Controller Editor will not launch when AVIDs CoreAudioManager/Drivers are installed under 10.10 Yosemite. Native Instruments and Avid are working together to resolve this compatibility issue.
Native Instruments is currently conducting further systematic compatibility and performance tests with the release version of Yosemite, and will provide new information as it becomes available."
OK to keep on the original thread of updated experiences I updated my Mac to Yosemite and I run the latest version of TSP2 with a Pioneer DJM T1.
I have zero issues and everything works fine. For the limited time it has been on my Mac everything also appears completely stable.
Hey All you guys deleting the audio driver of pro tools helped with the traktor freeze. All you had to do was go to your audio folder > plugins> HaL > avid core audio , delete that and restart you laptop. your tsp2 should work flawless now . it was the avid driver that didn’t integrate with Yosemite. now my traktor works good as new. Credits to the guy at NI for that find. here a link to other suff you want too delete from the avid pro tools that might help too.
Not sure what happend but I can’t get Traktor to recognize my X1 MK1. When I plug it in I get the light show but then in Traktor when or if I go to calibration of the X1, I get no X1 present or attached. Any ideas? Everything else works.
