Yeah, human perception consists of us grouping similar things together, and micro-genres might sometimes go too far, but to use an analogy; you don’t have to know much about wine to enjoy it, but if you’re a sommelier, make sure you know what you’re talking about.
That would be a great analogy, if there were micro-genres of wine, and if wine “genres” weren’t so clear-cut. A Bordeaux is a Bordeaux because of where it’s from. If it’s not from there, it’s not a Bordeaux. Even where there are intermediate classifications (for instance, the difference between a semi-sparkling and a sparkling wine), this is governed by a measurable, objective reference.
Not all techno comes from Detroit. Not all house comes from Chicago.
Shit, it’s all Dubstep, y’all clearly don’t know what you’re talking about.
My point is a more general one about knowledge and expertise. A novice can enjoy the sounds that music makes without understanding it. An expert speaks the language of his disclipline. This means knowing the forms the disclipline can take and the attributes of each form. Genre titles are a way of expressing those forms without having to always explain what they are from first principles. This is beneficial when communicating.
Instead of explaining exactly where the ‘donk’ sound goes every time, we’ll just call it ‘donk’ then shall we?
These micro-genres can get pretty annoying, but they mostly come about because people want to make or listen to or talk about a narrower range of music than the pre-existing term describes, so a new term is required to cut the music they don’t want to talk about out.
Yes, I have a limited idea of what funk is, at least as a musical genre. If we start including Akufen or microhouse in the category of “funk,” then it’s meaningless. I can just imagine going into Euclid’s record store in New Orleans and telling the clerk you want some funk, and when he shows you the James Brown 45s saying “oh no, I meant stuff that sounds like someone changing channels on a radio station.”
I’m not saying that house music can’t be funky but I am saying that it’s not “funk.” And by the way I’d say the majority of my DJ sets I’ve played out have been funk – from stuff like the Meters or old James Brown to some of the newer stuff I mentioned like Fort Knox Five – so believe it or not I’m not just talking out my ass here
Most of those gigs have been all-vinyl too but that’s another discussion…
It’s kind of interesting to me too that you insist on splitting hairs between tech house and techno yet you want “funk” to include glitchy house music. But to each his own - this is why genre labels can be pretty misleading. I have a love hate relationship with them - on the one hand, I think they can be misleading, but on the other hand, I get annoyed when they’re used in a manner that is either imprecise or overly precious. But ultimately I need to get over all that and just enjoy the music. I’m gonna go give that Akufen another listen and see if I can dance to it… But I still won’t ever call it “funk” ![]()
I think you may be taking the analogy a little too literally there.
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Yeah, taking stuff too literally is apparently my thing.
Yeah but I wasn’t talking about it as a musical genre was I? You’re the only one whose done that.
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I was talking about having the funk, and how you may be missing it and you may need to consult a physician if you didn’t think Akufen was danceable. I clearly wasn’t talking about the genre was I? No, I was making a joke. Let me know if you need help wikiing ‘jokes’ ![]()
No I don’t, I’m saying that all sorts of music can have the funk, or to put it in your parlance, be funky. Also describing what are pretty clear differences between genres from a production point of view is hardly splitting hairs. Have a google for the difference between house and techno and you’ll find lots of other people describing the swing or groove of the track as one of the main differentiators. It’s not the sort of thing you can deny really, it’s just the reality of programming drums.
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Literally no one is asking you to do that.
Yeah go ahead and wiki that for me.
Not gonna go back and forth with you dude, sounds like there’s less disagreement between us than you make it appear. As far as funk, glad to hear you don’t think micro house is funk. We disagree about how to distinguish tech house and techno, but I think I’ll get over it. Hopefully you will to.
And for the record, I’m pretty sure I’m funkier than my physician, so consulting her won’t help.