High Res Traktor Controllers
Ok,
So in the world right now as we speak… are the only 3 traktor controllers that have high res jogs and faders the S4, S2 and VCI-100SE FW 1.4 cause of an ingenious firmware hack?
Or has there been any development in midi communication with any other devices ie the denon / pioneer / etc?
What do you consider “high rez”?
I think he means like High Definition jog, and faders. lol.
sounds about right
DDJT1 has high resolution jogs and faders
The Denon SC-200 has a really long-throw pitchfader, and I hear it works great after the firmware update ( I recall reading that it was fairly wonky before).
I get it. What I mean is how many counts of resolution does he consider to be high resolution? The question he asked is open ended - it’s like asking how many sports cars there are. It’s just marketing bullshit without some kind of definition.
For instance, there are LOTS of “high resolution” platter controllers out there if out definition is “over a thousand counts of resolution”.
Yeah, I know I was just jk brother!
I got Maschine to send hi-res pitchbend messages to Traktor, although I don’t think I could do anything useful with them. I guess ‘hi-res’ in this context is anything above the standard 128 MIDI steps.
High resolution = higher than regular midi. So more than 128 values. (oh wait that’s 80 in hex. How did I never notice that before?)
Yeah higher res than regular old midi.
Pretty wack selection really. Surprised they haven’t sorted that out.
So it’s more than just a midi controller. Uses traktor prepriority system?
Traktor supports MSB/LSB and 14-bit pitchbend. So that’s 2 ways of getting high-res faders using MIDI. So it’s more a case of manufacturers not getting on with it (the VCI-100 being a case in point).
It is a full blown HID controller señor.
Fuck. See, this is why we can’t have nice things.
Guys, you need to learn up if you’re going to talk about MIDI. Let’s take this one at a time…
Pitch bend messages are ALWAYS have have ALWAYS been “high rez” messages. They’re the first “high rez” message, really, and it’s been a 14bit message since it was introduced. As a 14bit absolute message, that means it has 128 * 128 steps, or 16384 discreet counts of resolution.
“Standard MIDI” IS NOT LIMITED TO 128 STEPS. Only a 7 bit ABSOLUTE CC MESSAGE has 128 steps. That’s just one kind of standard MIDI message. And this shit ain’t new, guys. It’s been like this since the very early 90s.
See above. Also, it’s not 80 in hex. Remember that in hex the count is from 0 to 127. The hex value for 127 is 7F.
ALL platter messages I’ve ever heard of use a relative message and not an absolute message. There are several kinds of relative messages, but generally they work like this…
Just like most other MIDI message, the first and second bytes tell us what kind of message it is, what channel it’s on, and what control is being activated. The 3rd byte is the good stuff. Unlike a simple count from 0 to 127, a relative message only tells you direction and basic velocity in the last byte. But every “tick” of resolution from your control will send a message - so the application counts the number of ticks and the throughput of the ticks to determine platter movement.
So what that means is that a relative message can be sent as often as you need. The SCS.1d, NS7, V7, and NS6 all send over 3000 counts of resolution per single rotation of the platter. That’s multiple messages per millimeter.
So MaxOne, if you’re asking how many DJ products have a platter messaging higher than 128 steps, the answer would be “almost all of them”. VERY FEW platters out there send out less than 128 counts per rotation. And most of the products you’d actually buy now days blow that out of the water.
Oops, haha! I was off by 1. I can’t do hex it seems.
Faders tend to 7bit absolute CC messages, right? Or is that just an assumption of mine?
Even if they send thousands of messages. People have noticed that it isn’t as responsive as native’s NHL protocol
You’re saying people can tell the difference between the S4 and the NS6? I find that hard to believe.
What he’s really asking is what else has jog wheels as good as the S4 but isnt an S4"
Yeah..?
The topic of this thread is hi res traktor controllers. So I thought we were talking about traktor controllers here.
According to DJTT’s own review of the NS6, here I quote
“For basic controls everything works reasonably well, however the only problem is that in midi-mode, the jog wheel resolution just can’t compare to the native HID connection itch has with the Numark unit directly.”
edit:corrected quote