Tru, I really wasnt trying to bash… Sorry if I came off that way.
hey tom… so what kind of music do you like?
Sad thing is… and this is really sad … but MTV has most of every video in existance digitized and in a database. Something we had access to.. called ARTBOX ..anyways.. if you put in a key word like Rave or jungle or whatever… 100s of videos would appear of all the artists who sent in their videos. All uncompressed PAL or NTSC full quality
There was only one time when mtv played good music.. That was in the UK and the show was called Chill out zone
some regular songs included
PHEX TWIN - “On” - (On EP)
10TH LEVEL - “Too Many People”
THE BLUE NILE - “Headlights On The Parade” - (Hats)
THE COMMUNARDS - “For A Friend” - (Red)
K.D. LANG - “So In Love” - (Red, Hot & Blue)
808 STATE - “Pacific State” - (Ninety)
DEAD CAN DANCE - “Yulunga (Spirit Dance)” - (Taken From The Film “Baraka” / Into The Labyrinth)
DEEP FOREST - “Deep Forest” - (Deep Forest)
FUTURE SOUND OF LONDON - “Cascade” - (Lifeforms)
ORBITAL - “Lush 3-1” - (Orbital 2 (Brown Album))
NEW ORDER - “The Perfect Kiss” - (Low-Life)
ELECTROTETE - “I Love You” - (In Order To Dance 4)
ELECTRIC BOY - “Keep On Walking”
MILES DAVIS - “The Doo-Bop Song” - (Doo-Bop)
A MAN CALLED ADAM - “Barefoot In The Head” - (The Apple)
ONE DOVE - “White Love” - (Morning Dove White)
VIC REEVES - “Abide With Me”
BRIAN ENO - “Fractal Zoom” - (From The Longform Video “Future Shock” / Nerve Net)
MOBY - “Move” - (Move EP)
TALK TALK - “I Believe In You” - (Spirit Of Eden / The Very Best Of Talk Talk)
VERVE - “She’s A Superstar” - (Verve EP)
BARNES & BARNES - “Fish Heads” - (Yeah: The Essential Barnes & Barnes)
THE NOTWIST - “Johnny & Mary” - (Johnny & Mary EP)
WARP RECORDS - “Sim Biotics” (AUTECHRE - “Basscadet”) - (From The Longform Video “Motion”)
FUTURE SOUND OF LONDON - “Cascade” - (Lifeforms)
IAM - “Je Danse Le Mia” - (Ombre Est Lumière Volumes 1&2)
SOON E MC - “Au Nom Des Miens” - (Point De Vue.)
THE MAGI & EMANATION - “Everybody Say Love” - (Mindblowing 7)
MICHAEL BROOK FEAT. BRIAN ENO & ROGER ENO - “Breakdown” - (Cobalt Blue)
DEAD CAN DANCE - “The Carnival Is Over” - (Into The Labyrinth)
THE HIGHER INTELLIGENCE AGENCY - “Speedlearn” - (Future Shock (VHS) / Ambient Dub Vol. II - Earthjuice)
GARY CLAIL & ON-U SOUND SYSTEM - “The Emotional Hooligan” - (Emotional Hooligan)
JAH WOBBLE’S INVADERS OF THE HEART - “Becoming More Like God” - (Take Me To God)
THE HIGHER INTELLIGENCE AGENCY - “Speedlearn” - (Future Shock (VHS) / Ambient Dub Vol. II - Earthjuice)
ATLANTIC OCEAN - “Waterfall” - (Waterfall)\
here is a link to the rest..
Yeah we never got Chill out zone, only MTV AMP. which was cool back in the day before I knew any better. but this was b4 DSL High speed so the net was still pretty small and this was one of the few avenues you could see EDM outside of a rave or club.
also problem in america during the 90s was lasting hatred of disco which suppressed electronic music..
The rest of europe was sharing the whole wave of electronic videos only as a fad in MTVs eyes… not enough naked girls to give it prometime.. but it was there… and then it went when the programmer from Viva 2 left to become head of mtv germany.. and he hated electronic music.. I got him so mad at a company party he spilled his drink all overhimself.. just because I screamed for a breakbeat show.
everyweek mtv would literally throw out 100s of promo cds.. why. because there was no video. We used to just take the jewel cases and microwave the cds to make patterns. that or ebay till they banned us from doing that
the only exception to a video not costing 100s of 1000s of dollars or someone popular was SEX
Tru most americans suck when it somes to EDM, they think it all sounds the same.
LOL i just saw this for the first time in that Documentary, Pump up the volume, the history of house. awsome doc if u havent seen it.
the funny thing is as bad as disco may have been lets face it the onslaught of American idol winners is enough to make u want to stab ur ear drums out with your headphone jack.
I wish someone would do this for american idol winners and Crap Pop country that every american ALL of the sudden started listening to in 2005.
Careful, not every American, I can’t stand either American Idol or Pop Country and I feel the state of music in America is abysmal. Just don’t over generalize, please.
x 1 million
my point was based on the reality of wolfman jack bearded deep voice stereotype disc jockeys hating disco and not retiring from their jobs in the pre internet radio station days. They had control over minimalizing what they thought was just modern disco. And this happened in america.. as the evidence shows with disco records being burned publicly.
trying to go back on topic.. your all going to die very soon anyways.. 2012 is right around the corner.. if you own the vinyl.. then DL it … you will save yourself alot of time.. and time is money.. and if it comes down to it… show the vinyl as proof… but if you have 100k songs and a 2TB drive.. then you are fucked…
CBP can scan your hard drive if they want, there will be a point where they will be obligated to report supspicious amounts of data.. but its not at this point yet…
Thats why I used to travel with all my mp3s in a true crypt volume which no CBP will beable to forcebreak the encryption.. They can however make an image of the drive and send it to CIA. But this is only if your coming from a country on the list.. and look a stereotypical bad guy.
CBP is not looking for mp3s.. but they can by law take your drive… so better not have your shit out in the open
http://www.dhs.gov/journal/leadership/2008/08/answering-questions-on-border-laptop.html
if you bought it how come you steal it???
@frogstar,
My post was in response to DjTom420, not yours. But I do disagree with this “also problem in america during the 90s was lasting hatred of disco which suppressed electronic music..
The rest of europe was sharing the whole wave of electronic videos”. While Europe embraced the electronic music scene, America kept it underground with the likes of Detroit Techno & Chicago House but even before that, Industrial, none of which garnered any popular acclaim, which allowed each scene to grow and experiment. I’ve always felt the best music of any scene is refined and made when in it’s “underground” phase. By the time it’s become mainstream, the creativity & expressiveness is mostly exhausted. I’m not ruling out the UKs role in underground as the US & UK have ALWAYS borrowed and been influenced by each other. It’s a very parasitic/symbiotic relationship and apparently it’s the US’ turn to step up but the state of popular music in the US is quite frankly, embarrassing right now. Hopefully that means there’s a few “scenes” in their “underground” phase right now, but I’m not holding my breath.
As much as I love the underground and the scene we got away with in the 90s.. The main reason why early rave/techno/ambient was not being embraced was because there was no real face on the music. This atleast with MTV has been the primary reason. If we lived in a SCI FI world like battlestar galactica.. The cylons would buy the music for the warmth of syncopation. And little Cylons would faint to the instrumental bleeps and synths.
No voice/singer= not marketable back in the early 90s with a few exceptions.
Alot of the pioneers of techno/electronic/rave/whatever were skinny introverted drugged up kids like this dudmouse guy. Obviously not all.. The peak of selling music before MP3s started affecting sales probally had all the shelfspace taken in most shops. For years I remember seeing the same compilations in non underground record shops. Techno for an answer-only for the headstrong-aural ecstacy-lords of acid and shit like that.
and again back on topic… what do you do with 20m of records… digitize all that? hell no
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I did. But I guess it’s just up to the moral integrity of the individual. I personally think there’s a direct link to “free/stolen DLed music” and the shitty state of the music industry today but that’s just my opinion.
Haven’t looked on the forum for a day and there now is 8 pages!!
Good discussion people.
I do agree that is not right and as a music lover I want to give money to the artists I love because without that money they would stop…
Therefore I have decided that the “right” thing to do is probably to wait till they have a sale on beatport and then everyone is a winner.
I already have a few tunes on both formats (legally) so may as well carry on.
Listen bro, its not ok to steal anything in this world, no matter what reason you want to sit and justify your reasons for stealing the track…
As an artist and a label owner, you are taking money out of my mouth and the mouths of my artists, you are also contributing to others doing it as well.
Thank you!!I am glad to see there are some people with some good ethics! 
Stealing music is wrong. I still buy tracks that i have on vinyl, i would rather pay $2 than have a constant hissing/popping sound in my tracks.
With that said, i hate beatport. They treat artist like shit. I try to use juno as much as possible.
Also, if you’re looking for free music. Look up some artist on soundcloud, most will have at least a few tracks for free. It may not be the one you want, but it’s free.
same it’s all about Juno…but beatport do have some good sales and alot of exclusives, I guess that’s cause it’s bigger.
Ok then… what about all the electronic music artists who steal software and make music with stolen software. Should they get paid for making music illegally?
1990s-2010 how many people installed a cracked plugin to make music with?
This is where the “artists should get paid” stance hits a grey area… of course people are legit on all levels … or on some levels.. or on no levels…
lets say dudmouse makes his music on an illegal installation of windows and using illegal pluggins… the momemnt dudmouse makes a penny… then he should be fined and thrown into jail for STEALING. Regardless of people paying cash for VINYL or DIGITAL , Why support illegal activity?