Will we see the s4 come down in price?
It comes with a full version of traktor pro 2??
What about all the people that already have traktor pro 2?
Will we see a version available without the software?
Any thoughts
cheers all
Gav
thats a very good point, im sure they will have to release a controller only now that most people will have tsp2. Keep your eyes peeled for something i say 
What I’ve read from their forums is that from now on S4 will be shipped with TP2 and existing S4 users got (will get) a free upgrade to Traktor Pro 2.
Imho it’s a wise call from them, now they don’t have to maintain two separate Traktor SW branches (S4 and Pro 2), so they can combine the resources on one product only. I have my doubts that they would release a new controller simply because the SW was upgraded. Traktor S4 SW was basically a Traktor Pro 2 without the colored waveforms, so the upgrade from S4 to TP2 is not that major
not sure you got me?
not asking them to release another controller just wondering if we would see an s4 package for sale without the software as i will already have both normal pro and scratch pro already. i don’t need another copy of the software.
Surely i’m not the only one in this situation.
Gav
If they don’t, they will miss out on a growing target group which owns Tpro 2 and are looking for an interesting controller. Buying the S4+Pro2 combo when already owning Tpro2 could actually be a reason to look for a different controller.
I don’t think those would need two different resource lines…
you get me
Hah, true 
I was just thinking of the subject of this topic and the current situation in which the S4 controller is sold as a bundle. Yeah, it might be possible and quite reasonable to expect that NI would sell only the controller.
Yes. KS4 is a complete DJ solution. It is supposed to provide everything in a box and it will always come with the full version of the latest software (or so ive been led to believe, pretty sure of that)
Doesnt seem that that is a concern for NI. Just like their scratch upgrade product they come with the software.
They have always billed as an All-In-One solution. Its aimed t people that have no software which is a bit short sighted.
Doubful. To reduce the price of the Kontroller for a hardware only version would be very difficult for NI. I think its been sold at a pretty low price point within the controller market.
The software bundle help keep the price at what it is but if you take software and soundcard out of the price you not left much for the just the controller.
I just dont think they will do it.
Is the sound card in it just the equivalent of an audio4? Maybe not even that? its one out and 2 ins isn’t it?
i cant see them reducing it. with or without the software. supply cant keep up with demand as it is… its like apple i guess - they dont reduce their products because they sell regardless.
you can always sell your copy of TP2 or the copy that comes with the controller.
4 mono in 4 mono out, same as Audio 4.
Short Answer: No.
Longer Answer:
Before I even read through the thread, I can tell you from a business stand point price reduction of a product such as the S4 is a big negatory. They will not do that, it would be self destructive. I will go into this in detail if need be, however for the time being i’m over typing out a five paragraph essay on business models and what not to do.
After going through the thread answer:
Karlos said it best, well I guess he’s expected to have anyway since he is our liaison to Native Instruments.
There simply is NO reason for them to do such a thing as reduce the price. The product will continue to sell, and in no way, shape, or form are they restricting you with software either. If you already own a copy, simply toss it up on Craigslist or eBay after de-activating it and you are more than welcome to transfer your ownership rights to some other happy soul who is in search of such software.
What he said^^ If you already own T2 you just sell it.
i really do get the whole fact i can sell it and what i need to do to sell it etc ,… but i would have thought now that pro 2 is out there will be a hell of a lot of people buying the s4 who already own traktor pro 2.
Were going to be over run with licenses being sold on ebay and the forums. Over run with licenses that could have been sold brand new by NI when needed by people.
Having said all this I’m still working out what body parts i can sell to try and get one
So far I’ve ear-marked my audio8, my djm600, and my vci-100 … nearly there
I don’t understand how you are correlating the two.
If someone was strictly waiting for Pro 2 to come out before buying the S4 then they should have done a bit more research and found out that they would get a free upgrade to Pro 2 when the software was released.
I cant afford the s4 at the moment but can afford the £60 to upgrade my scratch pro up to scratch pro 2.
I would have to sell some items find some cash and purchase the s4 a bit further down the line at which point i will already own scratch pro 2.
Is it really?.. whats the need for the two stereo outs if all mixing is done internally?
cheers
Gav
Ahh, well that’s slightly different from what I gathered from your previous posts.
For scenarios like that, I believe you are out of luck. I know you would have to pick up the scratch upgrade and pay for that regardless though if you wanted to use time code via your S4, so that isn’t really wasting money there.
$300 cheaper with free tsp2 would be perfect
That’s like them essentially losing $450 on the sale of each S4. I think that’s a negative profit margin, however I could be very wrong as I do not know the price of parts and labor for the S4. :eek: